"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Got the "not looking for anything serious right now" :(

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supadups said:
I pretty much wrapped things up quickly at this point but as we leave to our cars she mentions out of the blue "we can still go out and do things you know".

I wouldnt have written this post if not for her last comment. How should I interpret this?
Actually she told you DIRECTLY what she wanted. It's just that you INTERPRETED it with your MALE BRAIN sexually. So you rationalized yourself that something could happen. When she told you "we can still go out and do things you know", you took it in the sense that the two of you could have SEX. Don't fool yourself. When she told you that, what she meant was that the two of you could do girly things together with you as her GIRLFRIEND. Kick her a*s to the curb and get the hell out. She's already DISRESPECTED you with her sh*t and worse of all, you are BUYING it like hot donuts. Get out of there.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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There's one quick and sure way the OP can figure out what she meant.

Say, "I know you said you don't want to start anything 'serious' right now. Does that mean you're open to having casual sex with me?"

Instead of asking us, ask her directly. I'm placing my bet that we already know how she'll respond, but that's the only way to know for sure.
 

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Used Naughty Ninjas reply but she got pissed

Naughty Ninja said:
1) First you must've come off like you were looking for a wife to her. From what you wrote she responded it seems that way.

2) Second she said "I'm not looking for anything serious at the moment" you should've said: "lol. What're you talking about? Neither am I."

3) When she said: "I'd like to remain friends." I'd reply: "What kind of friends did you have in mind? Cuddle buddies? Or do you need someone to hold your purse?" Her answer would right off the bat give you a clue if she wants a FB or an orbiter.

4) If you at that point got a feeling she wanted a FB..When she said: "We can still go out and do things you know." You could've mirrored her response right back at her and replied: "We can also stay in and do things to you know."

You have to flip their "negative" responses right back at them and guage off where her responses to your response of her "negative" sounding response goes. If chicks hold their ground. Drop em. If they know you know what they possibly "really" are trying to say as in "friends". You've got a potential FB.
@ Naughty Ninja : A girl I met one night and cuddled with ( couldnt close as her friend was also sleeping on the same bed ) put me in the friendzone. She said , "no date. im not coming for dinner or movie night. Only friends...sure why not :)"
to which i replied "What kind of friends did you have in mind? Cuddle buddies? Or do you need someone to hold your purse?"

and she replied with "What the heck? Just let it be..Forget about it..No friends. "

I think i pretty much screwed it up. Should I have said something else ? What can i possible reply her back now ?
 

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You don't.

In other words, she was not interested at all, and she wanted an orbiter for attention. It's clarified and you hit the big red "NEXT" button and find another girl.
 

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She's not interested. Sorry. Find someone who is. Don't be her friend if you want something more, you'll only be hurting yourself.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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eternal1011 said:
@ Naughty Ninja : A girl I met one night and cuddled with ( couldnt close as her friend was also sleeping on the same bed ) put me in the friendzone. She said , "no date. im not coming for dinner or movie night. Only friends...sure why not :)"
to which i replied "What kind of friends did you have in mind? Cuddle buddies? Or do you need someone to hold your purse?"

and she replied with "What the heck? Just let it be..Forget about it..No friends. "

I think i pretty much screwed it up. Should I have said something else ? What can i possible reply her back now ?

At this point you become the kind of friends who don't ever communicate again.
 

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Every cloud has a silver lining. She's OK with being around you? Good, use her as social proof, assuming she's hot enough.

EDIT: I should read whole threads, sorry. Yeah just move on.
 

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Naughty Ninja said:
At this point you become the kind of friends who don't ever communicate again.
Upon rethinking, I think a better reply would have been 'sure we can start as friends but we both know there would be more than that ;) ' (or

This way she gets the hint, it seems like I am controlling the relationship, and its a more subtle way of saying that I'm not looking to be her friend.

Even if a girl is a sl*t, no girl would ever admit to be one and would ever come off as too easy.
 

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a better way to reply (imo)

Naughty Ninja said:
At this point you become the kind of friends who don't ever communicate again.
Upon rethinking, I think a better reply would have been 'sure we can start as friends but we both know there would be more than that ;) ' (or

This way she gets the hint, it seems like I am controlling the relationship, and its a more subtle way of saying that I'm not looking to be her friend.

Even if a girl is a sl*t, no girl would ever admit to be one and would ever come off as too easy.
 

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eternal1011 said:
Upon rethinking, I think a better reply would have been 'sure we can start as friends but we both know there would be more than that ;) ' (or

This way she gets the hint, it seems like I am controlling the relationship, and its a more subtle way of saying that I'm not looking to be her friend.

Even if a girl is a sl*t, no girl would ever admit to be one and would ever come off as too easy.
Yaaay mr.5 posts knows the right thing to do!!!

Lets just completely disregard the right answer, because its not the one we wanted to see/read/hear.

NO. you're wrong. SHe isnt and never will be interested.

I have a buddy just like you who thought that was the way to go.
Just like you he wouldnt listen.
And He's deep in the FriendZone, never to escape.

Walk The Fvck Away.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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