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Geeze I think yr right YOU will never pick up in any of those places. So i have picked up in a bookstore and at book club and in a library and at the supermarket and at the local market. And yea i would not say odds on great at any of those places but still it happened. Some of those chicks flaked but hey that happens whatever your source. The point is just learn situational conversation and wherever ever you happen to be chat to the skirt. It's cold approach so won't score you a huge pipeline of vag. But you will get the odd treat. And it's good practice.

I head this idiot friend who later disappeared he just couldn't handle what i was telling him. Said let's go to the market And talk to chicks. He said people will think yr crazy
 

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Geeze I think yr right YOU will never pick up in any of those places. So i have picked up in a bookstore and at book club and in a library and at the supermarket and at the local market. And yea i would not say odds on great at any of those places but still it happened. Some of those chicks flaked but hey that happens whatever your source. The point is just learn situational conversation and wherever ever you happen to be chat to the skirt. It's cold approach so won't score you a huge pipeline of vag. But you will get the odd treat. And it's good practice.

I head this idiot friend who later disappeared he just couldn't handle what i was telling him. Said let's go to the market And talk to chicks. He said people will think yr crazy
Gee, I wonder why he thought that....maybe bc he was right lol. Going to the market to pick up women is weird af.
 
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Four easy steps:

1) Be resourceful (eg career, social skills, fitness)
2) Create and maintain a circle of friends
3) Go out a lot with zero intentions of finding a woman
4) Women in the same social circle will come to you.

If you do all of these steps and are completely desire-less, you will be a magnet for women.

Women love resourceful, pre-vetted men (via social circles) that have zero interest in them.

Just like the movie the Tao of Steve: “Be excellent, be desire-less, be scarce.”
 

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it also angers me when I see people recommending yoga classes.

People arrive about 1min before the start of the class, do the class, take 3-4 minutes to take their stuff in the lockers then leave.
Of course you can chit chat to girls after the class, but you'll look original because nobody really do that, everybody will hear you, you can't create a good connection in 4 minutes, and if it fail you can't try again with another girl of the group because everybody will notice what you are doing and you'll be categorized as a creep.

please stop with the non sense advices
When I read this, I observe a person who lacks social calibration.

Let's start by addressing your impressions...

1. You're right that fewer men used fitness classes to do approaches. When I went to fitness classes, I was the only male in my classes doing approaches. I found this strange because there are more women than men in fitness classes, which is a contrast to the ratios that have existed either on dating websites or dating apps since the 2000s. There have been times I've wondered why so few guys try approaching there.

2. You are incorrect that you can't try again with other women. You might be correct that it would be difficult to get in another approach that class session, but you can keep attending classes and different women show up at different classes. You can also use multiple venues by having 2 gym memberships or using ClassPass. You're overstating the creep categorization factor. It's not there in most cases unless your approaches demonstrate a total lack of any social skill.

Now on to my observations from many years of attending fitness classes, including less than 5 yoga classes. Yoga isn't my thing. Most fitness classes I've attended over the years have been the high intensity interval type classes.

When attending any type of fitness class, you have a 5 minute window of time either before or after class to do an approach. In between those two windows, there's a 45-60 minute class.

Even if you get to a fitness class 10 minutes early, few women will arrive more than 5 minutes early. If you're doing a before class approach, you have to move fast. Build rapport and close before class or talk to her prior to class and then immediately finish the conversation after classes with an ask out + number get.

Sometimes you can use body language like eye contact and smiling within class to figure out who to approach after class.

After class is the better window for approaching. You do need to move fast. Women aren't expecting to be approaching after fitness classes so they've not planned their time for a 5-10 minute approach after class. It's easier to get a 5 minute conversation out of a woman post class than before and it's easiest to do this on the weekend classes, which are usually weekend mornings. Weeknight classes are decent. The weekday morning classes are often the most difficult for doing approaches, because women are focused on getting through class and get on the stuff that they have to do that day. In general, fitness classes are not very social. You don't even see much of women approaching each other for female platonic friendship or lesbian females doing approaches.

The most difficult aspects of approaching at fitness classes is that lack of social openness and doing a decent quantity of approaches. Because fitness classes are not solely for unattached women, a good portion of female class attendees will be in committed relationships and not looking for a new penis. Most of these women will give off disinterested body language, so it's less likely you'll be approaching them. There are also women there that you will find unattractive and you won't approach. Finding a woman who is both attractive to you and receptive to being approached is a challenge, despite the advantageous male-female ratio.

There are better and worse options for non-bar approaching of strangers than fitness classes. The big ratio advantage is offset by the general lack of social willingness to engage.

I've gotten numbers and dates from fitness classes but none of my extended relationships came from fitness class approaching. Relative to the amount of effort that I put into fitness class approaching, my outcomes did not justify going to those classes based on approaching alone. They were likely good for my overall fitness though.

Tbh the people saying "meet women at a bookstore" haven't been to one since the 90' or they're just regurgitating some random, archaic anecdotal "advice" they heard elsewhere...probably from the '90s. No one, let alone attractive women congregate at books store in literal 2022 lols.
Since starting non-bar approaching in the early 2010s, I have had the opportunity to do bookstore approaching. I have made many attempts at bookstore approaching. All attempts were made prior to the onset of the pandemic.

I did bookstore approaching at two Barnes & Noble locations and one location of a smaller chain bookstore.

The biggest issue with bookstore approaching is that few attractive women under age 35-40 are there, even on weekends. I got in very few approaches when I attempted approaches there. None of the approaches were meaningful in any way. I doubt any of my approach sessions in bookstores resulted in a conversation lasting more than 1 minute. I never got a phone number or a date from bookstore. I think bookstore approaching can work but it didn't work for me and I was not motivated to keep trying with my meager results in that venue.
 

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it also angers me when I see people recommending yoga classes.

People arrive about 1min before the start of the class, do the class, take 3-4 minutes to take their stuff in the lockers then leave.
Of course you can chit chat to girls after the class, but you'll look original because nobody really do that, everybody will hear you, you can't create a good connection in 4 minutes, and if it fail you can't try again with another girl of the group because everybody will notice what you are doing and you'll be categorized as a creep.

please stop with the non sense advices
You should use an indirect approach if you have to worry about other people hearing you. You're not going to get figured out or be called a creep if you don't blatantly hit on every girl you talk to.

Start with something subtle and then only if she's receptive you turn up the heat. (Perhaps you'll get her number while things sound platonic and turn up the heat over text or when she agrees to get coffee so nobody knows.)
 

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Ok so we re walking to market. Hot blonde comes walking by. I start talking to her with the amazingly original line of are you going to the market. We chat for 10 minutes like old friends. We bump into her later beside the lake. Chat again. Now my mate couldn't close an envelope let alone picking up a girl. But it was a revelation to him that you could just wander up to chicks make a comment on the environment and start chatting away. Next week I went back coz I wanted nick knack for my place that this guy sometimes sells. Picked up one of the stall holders. We are all descended from people who got laid it just ain't as hard as you guys make out. Sure sometimes you willll get shot down but how s that different from any other part of life
 

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Sure the thousands of reps beside my screen name just mean that you can fool everybody all the time.
 

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It doesn't benefit me to explore your vast ignorance. Stay limited by what you know.
 

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it also angers me when I see people recommending yoga classes.

People arrive about 1min before the start of the class, do the class, take 3-4 minutes to take their stuff in the lockers then leave.
Of course you can chit chat to girls after the class, but you'll look original because nobody really do that, everybody will hear you, you can't create a good connection in 4 minutes, and if it fail you can't try again with another girl of the group because everybody will notice what you are doing and you'll be categorized as a creep.

please stop with the non sense advices
Agree with this, the same people that also recommend gym and salsa classes. People just get in and get out, no room for any REAL socialising.
 

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All women are the same everywhere. You're always going to have to sort through the low quality ones no matter what environment you meet them.
 

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The best women I’ve ever met and known were not found at bars or clubs after 11pm!

Gym, book stores, golf course, walking/hiking paths, beach, beach towns
 

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The best women I’ve ever met and known were not found at bars or clubs after 11pm!

Gym, book stores, golf course, walking/hiking paths, beach, beach towns
Part of why I shifted my game to primarily day game about 10 years ago was the experience. Day game is better than night game for finding women of extended relationship quality. Extended relationships (not marriage/family) has been a more important goal for me all time than one night stands or casual sex arrangements.
 

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Part of why I shifted my game to primarily day game about 10 years ago was the experience.
just got back from a guys trip... I day gamed The entire time ! Made my connections and hookups before we even went out to eat at night. Was in bed at 1030-11 every night and felt amazing the next day.... the one night I went out until 3 am with my buddies I ended up hooking up with a girl at a bar.... Monday she texts me “hey I’m so sorry I just tested positive for covid”. I guess it could have been worse like herpes ... but anyway lather just adds to the reasons I will no longer be trolling bars until 3am ever again!
 

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Hi Zimbabwe;
"Agree with this, the same people that also recommend gym and salsa classes. People just get in and get out, no room for any REAL socialising."Sorry mate you live in a different Australia to me...Salsa classes?...Yeah couple of years ago I attended classes,they were conducted at a local Soldiers Club,with gaming machines and bars adjacent...Girls being Girls several congregate after changing to gossip and enjoy a drink at tables next to bar,so you nonchalently order a drink at the bar and then when you see someone perhaps beneath your milieu who has a chair vacant next to her or someone you spoke to in the dancing,where it is usual to circulate partners,take it from there...Gym?...Yes in the glorious pre plague days I went every Thursday afternoon to a gym that had Fitness classes,make up was generally about three guys to ten Women of various ages...When the Gym finished people showered and changed...Here I found always three or four Ladies would have a drink at a couple of tables set up next to a vending machine adjacent the entrance...further to that,if you strolled over to the adjacent shops,there would often be a small group at tables outside a coffee shop...Maybe finding a wingman in Sydney and learning the ropes,could be useful. "
 
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