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Going to make 2 cold approaches in the next week...any advice would be appreciated

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So from what I understand cold approaches hardly ever work? But then again from everything I read, regret is a lot worse feeling than rejection.

So here is the story:

A:
I been training my female friend at the gym for over a month now. She told me she wants to get in shape for summer and since I always work out she said she wanted me to train her. So I agreed and I train here 3 times a week(all I got time for ). Every time we work out, there is a chick who in my eyes is just FINE. And she has the a$$ of a goddess! My chick friend always sees me looking at her and finally told me that next time we work out, which will be next week that I need to go up to her and talk to her...or she will put me on blast on every social network saying I didn't have the balls to do this. So I am going for it. Kinda glad she pushed me over the edge.

But the thing is, like my profile says I am 21. This chick is anywhere from 24-29.....on top of that gym atmosphere is a not the easiest place to approach. I was thinking of catching her when she leaves...? Like I said any tips would be good.


B:
This girl I park next to for my Tue/Thurs class every week is a 10 in my eyes, probably 19 or 20 years old. However I dont know her name or anything about her. Only thing I do know is that she has class same time as me because she comes and leaves at the same time and we both park in the same spot every week. The only thing about this girl is, she drives a REALLY nice Nissan 370Z. On top of that she has the NISMO edition with custom body kits, rims, tint job and sound system. So to those of you who dont know jack sh*t about cars, she drives a new 45k car with 15k worth of upgrades. She is either banging a rich dude or has a rich daddy. I have a good car, HOWEVER 2 weeks ago my idiot step dad decided to take my car out one nigh, get drunk and wrap it around a telephone pole:box: . So now while I wait for the insurance company take care of it, I am currently driving our old beat down station wagon that we use for emergencies....but I figure what do I have to loose..I can start the convo by commenting on her car?


Like I said any tips or how you would do this would be great

I know the chances are extremely low of either of these going in my favor, but I could care less. Don't know these girls what do I have to loose.
 

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Exactly! Comment on the car, make it seem like that's all you are interested in. Act disinterested in the girl. And get to know her so she will let you in the car and maybe test drive it, NOT because you care about the girl. Treat the girl as someone who doesn't deserve the car OR you, and so she will have to work to earn your attention.

"Alright, where does a poor student at so-and-so university steal a car like that?"
"Grand theft auto carries prison time."

I don't know... Think of something clever than what I said.
 

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1) Walk up, say, "Hey, how's the workout going?"

2) Walk up, say, "That's a nice car. Did you do any of it yourself?"

Or something. Don't plan cold approaches, unless it is in the few moments before approaching. If you are literally planning these approaches days in advance, you are definitely not doing enough approaches and definitely don't have enough experience.

Seriously. Get out there, just start talking to women. Push yourself. Remind yourself constantly what you have to lose versus what you have to gain. You have pretty much nothing to lose besides a bit of an ego hit. You have lots of potential gains. You really have to have that experience down. Just go do 100 approaches, and I guarantee these'll feel like a walk in the park afterwards.
 

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Ahh I see...so I should just say hi to them and start a small convo the next couple of times I see em(college chick and gym girl)and eventually try and get their numbers?


Only thing is the girl from the gym is sorta intimidating, not because she is hot and has a banging body, but because I think she is about 26 years old...and I am 21 but dont even look like 21(more like 18). How do older women feel about the younger guys trying to hollar at them?
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Honestly, if you plan to do cold approaches, you have to do them so often on so many women that they become no big deal to you.

You can't really sit there and get all excited about 2 specific women to cold approach. Just make it a part of your life, approach chicks wherever, and you'll be fine. Because the odds of success with cold opens is extremely low.
 

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Your focusing on specific girls, you will not progress this way. Cold approaching should be the core of your game. It's tough at first yes, but anything worth doing is tough and has juicier rewards.

Where will you be if they're both disinterested in you? If cold approaching is apart of your life you'll always have it to fall back on :)
 

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Zarky said:
Honestly, if you plan to do cold approaches, you have to do them so often on so many women that they become no big deal to you.

You can't really sit there and get all excited about 2 specific women to cold approach. Just make it a part of your life, approach chicks wherever, and you'll be fine. Because the odds of success with cold opens is extremely low.
Exactly. The skill in cold approaching is spontaneous creativity, not careful orchestration. I understand what you mean, though. I used to think the same way and trust me when I say it isn't the way to go.

What part of LA are you in? I'm down to cold approach. PM me your response.



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It really isn't that hard, check out this cold approach:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABgL2LcoBTU
 
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The car is your perfect in. Personally I'd walk up and say something to the effect of "Nice car.. I'm actually considering a 370z, what do you think of it?"

It breaks the ice, doesn't make you look like you're on some desperate mission to pick her up, builds rapport, shows you have finances (status) and now you're free to easily engage her whenever and it won't be awkward.
 

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Robyn923b said:
Exactly. The skill in cold approaching is spontaneous creativity, not careful orchestration. I understand what you mean, though. I used to think the same way and trust me when I say it isn't the way to go.

What part of LA are you in? I'm down to cold approach. PM me your response.



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It really isn't that hard, check out this cold approach:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABgL2LcoBTU

In the hood....South Gate right on the border of Compton.

I am not good at cold approaches because around here its not the best place in the world...and since I am saving all my money up I hardly get out of the south central area
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

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irocknike23 said:
In the hood....South Gate right on the border of Compton.

I am not good at cold approaches because around here its not the best place in the world...and since I am saving all my money up I hardly get out of the south central area
I have a friend into the game in East LA. I can hook you guys up and we all can hangout sometime. I'm near Santa Monica; it's a gold mine for cold approaching, man.
 

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i know you don't know these girls dude. and it would be great for you to talk to them to get the reference experience. i have to tell you now though... your not going to get them.

here's why.


it sounds to me like you haven't done much cold approach. it's hard. you have to do something like 1000 approaches to get good at this. but i bet you know this..

there is a approach comp that runs on these forums. it's awesome! i was living in Wales last year, I lived in a village of like 200 people and I came 5th :)

my goal this year is to get first. I'm back home and i am ready!


if you are having a problem approaching you should enter.
 

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Robyn923b said:
I have a friend into the game in East LA. I can hook you guys up and we all can hangout sometime. I'm near Santa Monica; it's a gold mine for cold approaching, man.
Send me your number, I will e free during spring break which is in a month
 

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Packers2010 said:
i know you don't know these girls dude. and it would be great for you to talk to them to get the reference experience. i have to tell you now though... your not going to get them.

here's why.


it sounds to me like you haven't done much cold approach. it's hard. you have to do something like 1000 approaches to get good at this. but i bet you know this..

there is a approach comp that runs on these forums. it's awesome! i was living in Wales last year, I lived in a village of like 200 people and I came 5th :)

my goal this year is to get first. I'm back home and i am ready!


if you are having a problem approaching you should enter.
Yeah I am not experienced with cold approaches but I am not scared to do it. I will go up to gym girl Wednesday(that's when I go to that particular gym) and College chick Thursday(today I stayed in the library instead of leaving after class right away to get something done so I missed her)

And post results Friday
 
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