"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Going on a beach trip with a girl who hates me, how to be most dignified about this?

Insouciant

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Hey fellow SoSuavers --

In need of some life advice right now. I'll be going to a weeklong vacation in an island over the coming weeks, and it's with a girl (and her friends) that I had a massive falling away from recently. The thing is, she told me up front that I should arrange my own accommodations because they will be keeping to themselves. That's fine, I'm not about to NOT go, because I've already paid for my tickets there.

How this all came about:
Me and this girl have been talking for a long time now online before I made a move to a different country - the one she's currently in (the move wasn't about her, I wanted to start my own life there, a lot of opportunities for growth now, plus it's my native country).

Very flirtatious, friendly, planning for what we would do in the future throughout those 9 months. This wasn't about us eventually getting together, we were very open about our sex and love lives during that time. We did flirt with the idea of ending up being together, and she did offer me to stay at her place for a few weeks. She was excited, I was excited. We would've been good friends.

However, even from the get go, things got ugly.
- There wasn't really any spark in the first day we hung out. (I just came off a 20 hour flight, what do you expect!)
- I didn't pay for her movie ticket, and made it a point to go dutch, nor buy her the popcorn I knew she liked (in hindsight, this was actually a bad play... since the girl was opening up her home and social life to me... least I could do was pay five bucks for a movie)
- I made a crude joke in the first night about sleeping in her bed. She wasn't very receptive to it.
- Days later, we were supposed to have dinner, and then hang out with her friends. She waited for me to have dinner. When I get to where she was hanging out at, I just suggested that we just go boozing. I didn't understand why she was so cold to me right then, but I know now why.
- Major fight after that bar scene. She tells me that I wasn't "who [she] thought "; that I just felt "off"
- We attend a conference in an island for the weekend. I avoid her the whole time. There were times I realize now where she was receptive to talking, but I bailed. (I was giving her space; she would later bring this up as a reason why she was just tipped over the edge)
- I watch the sunrise with a British girl she saw me hanging out with. I post the video of the sunrise on Instagram. (She would later stop following me on Instagram, but not on Facebook)


When we get back from the conference, I get my stuff from her place to move out. And she tells me that we're going to the September trip separately.

She hates me. I know that. I deserve it. I was a huge jerk. Especially in an Asian country, where you actually need to downplay the jerk game a bit, it probably has a higher sting.

What do you guys think? It would be nice if I can salvage a friendship with this girl. But just reading the bullet points above, I feel like a major dyck. Sheitt. She's gone completely cold - and didn't respond to the last message I sent her two days ago.

Any advice from you boys would be appreciated. I just don't have anyone else to go to -- few people would understand the way you guys do. Thanks guys.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Hi gents, i realize my post was TL/DR. In short, is it possible to turn things around with a girl when I came off as a total douche? Way I see it, could be worse... No? I could've been a total *****.

Any advise will be helpful!
 

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IF you can get out of spending ANY time with her and stil have the vacation..... do it. IF a girl asks, maybe tell her she's an ex, but we had the trip booked....
OTHERWISE, see if you can get a refund..... go where you are wanted
 

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@sodbuster - i actually still like the gal. Is there any shot of fixing my ****ups without chasing her away?
 

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I think THAT is as done as the Dinosaur's you can't screw up that badly with a woman you haven't dated for a while. You don't have enough of an investment from her.... she can cut her losses too easily, she doesnt have any....
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Just leave her alone, she is upset, tired, not even disappointed, just disgusted.

Seriously, leave her alone for a few years. That's the only advice I can offer.
 
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