"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Going in for the kiss and getting rejected

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Just to clarify, when I say 'getting rejected', I don't mean the girl walking off but rather just moving away/pulling back.

This has happened a few times now and yet every time I've still managed to keep her talking to me/kiss her again properly later but I don't fully understand what it's about. I've always found that it's important not to let it faze me otherwise it can lead to the girl walking off.

Part of me believes it's a **** test and the other half of me leads me to believe that sometimes I'm moving too quickly ie. need to build up a little more rapport.

What are your thoughts/experiences guys?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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It isnt a Sh*t test is just plain old rejection.
 

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It could be rejection...although it can be hard to say without being there. Kino beforehand?

Maybe you're moving in too fast.

Something that has worked well for me is to go in slowly.

And then when you know she wants it as well....just pull back a bit with a smile.

And then move back in.

Push/pull, and it has worked for me before.
 

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GetOveIT said:
It isnt a Sh*t test is just plain old rejection.
Definately isn't rejection. I only consider it rejection if the girl walks away.

I've been in the situation several times where I've gone in for the kiss, the girl's pulled away, I've carried on the banter for a while longer, gone in again and had her reciprocate fully.

It leads me to believe that on the occasions it's happened I've gone in too early but I was curious to know what others thought. I did consider the possibility of it being a sh*t test.. purely because guys with lower self-esteem would be ashamed and walk away (this happened in my AFC days).

Still interested to hear what others think though
 

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runner83 said:
It could be rejection...although it can be hard to say without being there. Kino beforehand?

Maybe you're moving in too fast.

Something that has worked well for me is to go in slowly.

And then when you know she wants it as well....just pull back a bit with a smile.

And then move back in.

Push/pull, and it has worked for me before.
Nice idea that. And yes there's definately kino etc going on beforehand. I'll basically flirt/play with the girl until I feel I've got her in a position where she's comfortable and then I'll make a move... I guess you're right though, it seems as though sometimes I do move too fast ;)
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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dj_china said:
What's ASD? :confused:

EDIT: Ah "anti slut defence". Never heard of it myself but I suppose it makes sense if I'm trying to kiss them in public...
 

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SteR said:
What's ASD? :confused:

EDIT: Ah "anti slut defence". Never heard of it myself but I suppose it makes sense if I'm trying to kiss them in public...
Yeah I just encountered the ASD the other night...lol started making out with her (mind you first date)....well I started moving in on her neck and usually this works great, but I got the "bit too much" whatever cool said good bye. Stayed cool about everything. day later, went out again, she came to my place after a few drinks(left her car there), I played it cool, said drive safely gave her a nice hug and kissed her passionately as hell, (imagine her panties got wet pretty quick) as she used the ol' "I want to see your room and I want to lay down bit" excuse :crackup: she was in my bed buck naked within 15 minutes!!
 
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