"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Going for "spinning plates" - how to start?

Guybrush

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I wish I could have posted this to MM forum but I am 23 and we're not allowed to post there.

Ok by means of this amazing forum, I have already changed a lot of things in my life. But even though I searched the forum, the bible and almost all the online content posted here, I am still confused.

As a recovering AFC, all the girls I have known are either my ex's or my previous crushes ( LJBFs ). So I really have a very limited social environment at the moment. It's summertime, I am staying in this cute college town, and nobody seems around. Ok, I covered nearly all the theory about being an AFC - and I am definitely feeling more mature now. But my question is to the mature DJ's, how do you establish that system so that you always have plates to spin? I am assuming that you cannot spin a plate indefinitely, occasionally, you might have to dump some of them in the mean time for some reason (incompatibility, etc..) It means that there's a constant influx of plates to your system. I don't think the mature DJs get out to the street and approach random strangers to meet with people... This is the part where I am getting confused. So how does it work? There's really little information about getting to KNOW women before actually starting the attraction routines.


Another thing I have been noticing is that all the guys in this forum (especially the younger generation) feels that women are indispensable in their lives. They simply can't think of a life without a gf or some woman to interact with, and I believe this is another sign of neediness. A man can always live without a woman and sometimes it's just natural to have scarce resources. Accepting this and enjoying the solitary life is another dimension of a mature man. You DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PARTNER ALL THE TIME.

Craving for puzzy is always there, but still it can be put under control...

This second part is to tell you guys that I am really not seeking a "magic cure" for myself. I am patient, cool, and constantly improving. I'll get what I need EVENTUALLY. No need to rush just for the sake of scoring. It's because I am curious, when do the women just start to come naturally into the mature DJ's life , and how does it happen ?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Well I don't want to speak for everyone, but I look at every new interaction with a female as a potential plate to be spun. She will start to spin when you convey the fact that you want to get to her on a personal level. This is done by getting communication info. I only go for those who show even a slight interest or good personality. It will become natural if it is done on a constant basis. Repetition creates habit.

natural: unthinking; prompted by (or as if by) instinct
 

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Guybrush said:
But my question is to the mature DJ's, how do you establish that system so that you always have plates to spin?
Getting out of your comfort zone is probably the most important thing you can do, become as random as possible, talk to anyone and everyone. Widen your social network as much as you think it can go, then widen it some more. Join clubs etc.

A.B.C = Always Be Closing.

Guybrush said:
I don't think the mature DJs get out to the street and approach random strangers to meet with people...
Yes they do. Comfort zone, comfort zone, comfort zone.

Guybrush said:
This is the part where I am getting confused. So how does it work? There's really little information about getting to KNOW women before actually starting the attraction routines.
Rubbish, there is loads here. The attraction should start as soon as you meet her and thats ALL covered.

Guybrush said:
This second part is to tell you guys that I am really not seeking a "magic cure" for myself. I am patient, cool, and constantly improving. I'll get what I need EVENTUALLY. No need to rush just for the sake of scoring.
At the start, this sh!t can be a bit daunting if your new to it, but it should be or your not going to improve. But at the end of the day it's only a game, nobody is gonna get hurt (except random chicks hearts but they thrive on that sh!t anyway, it's another story for her) and just think some lucky girl may get the gift of you, just get out there and put your foot in the door.

Did I mention Comfort zone?
 

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The plate spinning theory has my seal of approval. The more girls you're dating, the more that come into your life. I can't really explain it so well, but when you internally understand that you have options, you act a lot more "together" in front of other women. The more "together" you act, the more success you'll have in romance. PUA/DJism without plate spinning is like a house without a foundation. It's extremely difficult to not give off a "needy vibe" when you have no romantic prospects.

Also remember that when you're gaming girls, you shouldn't feel compelled to close all of them. You just gotta close the ones that you like. Otherwise you'll have a phone full of numbers you're not gonna call. On top of that, when you go around trying to play every woman (including ones you're not interested in), you give off the wannabe player vibe, and that's worse than the "dork" vibe IMHO.
 
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