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Going for less "Attractive" girls???

Fender

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I have recently looked back at the girls that I have made my moves on.. and realised that they aren't the most beautiful/sexy girls i have met.


But still, i feel attratced to them. Now one may argue that personality had an impact on this, but i think I may just be attratced to these girls cuzi keep on thinking the more attractive girls won't like me. (ie. i don't deserve better)

Has anyone felt the same? Should I be getting a reality check/ big slap?

-thx-
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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spider_007

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Originally posted by Fender
..... to these girls cuzi keep on thinking the more attractive girls won't like me. (ie. i don't deserve better)
-thx-
I find the petite (chubby) chicks attractive too. So much so, that i don't feel as uncomportable with hot gurls as I would with the chubby once. It's wierd. That has led to me getting hit on by couple of 8,9, and put in the friends zone by some not as hot. It might also have something to do with the fact that I can see right through it (the tons of make up, and hair spray.....) they are as insecure as the fat once, if not more. wich is somewha unatractive (to me anyway)

If you think the more atractive gurls won't like you, then why do yo care what they think. tell them what you wana tell them, act the way you wana act in front of them. You don't have a chance any way, right? So why would you care. You'll be suprised when they come up behind you and grab your azz
 

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If you really do like these types of girl, then go for it. Fvck what everyone else thinks. You should be PUing for yourself, not to impress other people.

But, if you're "settling" for these types of girls even though deep down, you really don't like them, then you need to make an effort to improve your game.

I would reccomend that you have sex with a hot girl, and then look back and see which you like more. If you can't do that, I would say that you should develop your game to the point where you can. It's the only way you'll be able to tell.

-Dan
 

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i feel the same .

It's been so long that i've been attracted to a girl at first sight.
Me and my friends can scope out all the 9's and 10's in the street and it wouldnt make a difference for me just cause theyre hot.

yesterday we were eating at a korean restuarant, and this girl sitting diagonal from us really caught my attention. Sure on a scale rating she would be a 7, but her cute factor easily gave her a 10....plus she always smiled which was a real turn on and i found her to be very attractive. unfortunately she already has a bf.

Fender -

as we all know attraction is on a subconscious level. And as that may be, all humans possess ideal subconscious desired traits in their search for a partner.

If what you may find attractive isnt the hottest thing, then hell go for it, looks can only bring you so far in a relationship until it burns out.
 

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this same thing happens to me. i have odd standards with women. some who people consider to be universally beautiful i wouldnt bother approaching. the girls i like nobody notices sometimes

the problem is that they can view you as a gift. like the best thing that ever happened to you and do everything for you. it can really mess with your head if your not careful
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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No joke, I was showing a guy last night some of the girls that have displayed interest in me overthe past school year, hethoughtI was nuts because I thought they were average looking, and they looked clearly hot to him. I guess my standards are higher than his or something.
 

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I too have been doing the same thing. My reason for doing this is because I personally know that someones personality will make them appear more physically attractive than they do at first glance. I also have a philosophy on why I tend to stay away from the 9's and 10's. 9's and 10's get approached time and time again, they have men shouting things out to them all the time. (This is a known fact) maybe it is not the girls conscious decision to let all that attention go to their head but it definitely does. Just like a movie star, they start to believe they are something rare and special and only the best is deserving enough to be with them. Hot chicks are like mini movie stars. Why do you never ever hear of a movie star marrying a normal person who is not envolved in Hollywood type stuff, because they do not believe that the regular person is up to their level.

I am not saying that I am not attracted, physically to those 9's and 10's. I am. I have dated 2 of them in my past. The biggest problem with 9's and 10's is that there is almost no way for you to prove to that girl in such a short first meeting that you are something special and different from the last 100 guys whho came up to her in the past week.

On the other end of the spectrum if a good looking guy were to approach a girl who was seen as a 1 or 2, 9 times out of ten that girl would be so excited that someone is talking to her. She never gets approached and she would be so grateful someone did.

There is a song out there, a classic from the 60's I think. The lyrics are, "If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, find and ugly girl and make her your wife"

Words of wisdom
Not sure if those are the lyrics and not sure who did it.
 

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Originally posted by Beginner1


I am not saying that I am not attracted, physically to those 9's and 10's. I am. I have dated 2 of them in my past. The biggest problem with 9's and 10's is that there is almost no way for you to prove to that girl in such a short first meeting that you are something special and different from the last 100 guys whho came up to her in the past week.

Neg-hits and stuff should be tried? That's my guess..
 

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Lol, I've been known to fall in love with a girl just by the way she walks. :rolleyes:

Anyways, I know I'm attracted to these 6's and 7's, but I'm scared that my subconscious mind is preventing me from falling for more beuatiful chicks cuz I'm scared, or whatever.

But for now, I'll continue falling for 7's (that are cute of course:D )
 

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Originally posted by Fender
I have recently looked back at the girls that I have made my moves on.. and realised that they aren't the most beautiful/sexy girls i have met.


But still, i feel attratced to them.
Attraction is based on animal magnetism my friend, not 100% on beauty. There are girls that my friends couldn't stop talking about, they had great bodies, a rating of a 9, but I wasn't attracted to them while I appreciate their beauty of course. While at the same time I would see a girl with a rating of lets say 7 that I would be attracted to and would like to make em mine. I felt a powerful sexual attraction with the 7 rating girl while the hot body rating 9 girl didn't do that for me.

For me it has always been this way, which is just classic animal magnetism. Rarely have I had a crush or been attracted to a girl that everyone else also wanted. Im not saying im attracted to ugly girls, i like good looking girls, but they aren't the usual 'hottest girls in school that everyone likes or talks about' type of girls. Most of the girls I liked have never been mentioned by my friends in conversations.

To answer your post Fender, Animal magnetism is different for everyone, the girls im attracted to might not do anything for you and viseversa. Always go for the girls you are attracted to. A beautiful girl doesn't always mean you will be attracted. You shouldn't go for the girl that is supposed to be great according to everyone but you don't feel that powerful sexual attraction for her.
 
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Re: Re: Going for less "Attractive" girls???

Originally posted by spider_007
I find the petite (chubby) chicks attractive too.
That's an oxymoron. Either they are petite, or they're chubby - you can't have a "tiny big girl". :rolleyes:

Fender: quality over quantity. Never, ever settle for second best.

Worst case scenario - you get this girl you don't find attractive pregnant, and she keeps the kid. Then you're stuck with everybody knowing that not only did you sleep with her, but she's got a baby by you. I can think of better things than that, like jumping off a bridge.
 

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Re: Re: Going for less "Attractive" girls???

Originally posted by Joe The Homophobe
A beautiful girl doesn't always mean you will be attracted. You shouldn't go for the girl that is supposed to be great according to everyone but you don't feel that powerful sexual attraction for her.
I can relate to this subject, but I disagree with the above.

Beautiful women (Very Attractive) create a strong sexual attraction, period. Less attractive women create less sexual attraction. By enhancing body language, clothes, makeup, etc., less attractive women can be very sexy. However, most men want to have sex exclusively with very attractive women if given the choice. The exception is the case when an attractive woman has an extremely defective personality, but this is rare unless they really lack intelligence.

The above describes the hard-wired evolutionary instinct of being human, not something that can be worked around easily. Men are instinctual. Remember the movie "When Harry Met Sally" when Billy Crystal's character admitted that men and women couldn't be friends because men want to have sex with all women that they find even reasonably attractive. This seems to be true. I am not telling anyone that they can't be attracted to average looks, but only you wouldn't choose it if you had options.

All men want very attractive women, but many settle for less to get laid and/or to reduce their risk of rejection. Men (and women) feel less likely to be rejected by less attractive mates. Ones that we believe won't leave us because we are a very attractive choice that cannot be easily replaced.

Now for the good news. We are not destined to live this way. The reason I am on this board is to acknowledge and work to overcome my anxiety of : 1) approaching and seducing very attractive women and 2) being rejected by them in the process. I can get laid any time I want with less attractive women and I do. The skills learned here work perfectly when you approach less attractive women. It's good practice, but no substitute for achieving the same with very attractive women. Its the difference between the NFL and the Arena League.

I think the reverse exists with women and they give into their fears and settle for less attractive men all the time. Take Jacklyn Smith (ex Charlies Angel), a very attractive woman. She married a hollywood executive years ago later to be dumped hard. She is now with a total dork who is leagues below her expected level of attraction. Instead of believing this AFC is some master DJ in disguise, I think she is just like many and settled for a less attractive mate to reduce her risk of being rejected, again. Being with someone who is settling for you is a fate worse than death.

Attraction is not something that can be minimized or rationalized away without something like fear as motivation. I am here to face and conquer this fear. First (just like Fender) we should acknowlege this fear exists.
 
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Silly rabbits, don't you know attraction is triggered by scent.

Now there is some truth to this, but its not all... When I sit at home and jerk it to the most recent stolen celebrity home video I can't smell them, so where's the attraction come from?
 
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