GodsGiftToFatBirds Bootcamp Diary

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Day 2 Week 3 (repeat)

Yo
Spent most today packing stuff ready for going home for xmas, then the rest of the day on the train back, so not particularly interesting day. Did manage to get some bootcamp done though, got 1 convo done with this Asian Bird (HB7) at the train station, easy opener - 'which train is this one coming?', then normal convo for a few minutes, pretty easy convo for me cos she just talked and talked and talked. And then talked some more. Fairly normal conversation topics, nothing that exciting, made her laugh a bit though, was just like 'this is my train anyway see you later' at the end, no time for trying number close, would have seemed weird anyway cos this old lady had also got in on the conversation. Maybe i should have gone for 2 numbers!
Gonna get on the game properly tomorrow anyway, gonna get into town, reckon the shops will be easy places for getting the convos done, thinking book shops, music shops, clothes shops especially at this time of year just before xmas. Setting myself a daily target of at least 2 convos to make sure that i get myself on target for getting 10 in the week.
By the way, anyone got anything on the question i posed yesterday? - would be interested to hear what all the top class DJs would do in the situation i mentioned.
More tomorrow anyway.

 

[Bonhomme]

I'd do this

Without being too obvious about it, I'd give them a glance and a smile, and if one of them smiles back, come up and chat for a bit.

Remember, if a gal is interested, it hardly matters what you say, as long as you carry yourself right and say it the right way.

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Day 3 Week 3 (repeat)

Yeh mate, I'll bear that it mind in the future.

Bootcamp today, went into town, round the shops and got 2 convos done with birds but it should have been so many more, passed up on a ton of opportunities to start convos with birds in shops, could have had the week complete if i'd really been on my game. Think my balls just disappeared today.
Anyway, the 2 convos that i did have, first one was with this bird (HB7.5) when i was waiting for the bus. Was outside my local sixth form college, she was a pupil there. Just struck up a convo about the college and stuff (I used to go there so something to talk about) and she was saying she wanted to go to uni next year so were talking about that too. Didn't number close, her friends came and joined her after we'd not been talking that long. Second convo was in town. As i said, i was lacking in balls today and this convo was with a shop assistant, which is a bit of a cheat really cos they are paid to talk to you, so not totally sure whether i should count it. Anyway, was in this clothes shop, she was really fit (HB9), looked bored and pissed off before i approached her, was quite late in the day, but seemed to really brightened up when i started talking to her. I was quite confident chatting to her, made out i was looking for a top for my sister for xmas, was like 'as a girl, what sort of thing would you be wanting if i was buying something for you for xmas?' (yep corny i know), she asked few questions about what sort of thing my sister would wear, i made her laugh a bit, she was like 'i really like the type i'm wearing now, we've got something very similar', i'm like 'oh yeh, that looks good on you', got a decent smile from that. She gave me plenty of flirtation signs when i was talking to her, seemed interested, was thinking about a number close, stumbling block was that i didn't move the conversation from shop girl/customer talk to more personal conversation (i.e not just about what clothes to buy). I think thats what you need to do to get anywhere with a shop girl, make them feel that its not just a shop girl/customer chat.
i remember reading somewhere (think maybe in bible) someone saying about how they were afraid when they were talking to a girl, to let it show they were cracking onto them, think thats something i haven't fully got over yet. Think i'll have a browse through the bible, see if i can find the stuff.
Anyway, those are the only 2 convos i'm counting towards bootcamp, did start a couple of others with girls (customers) in shops but they were just short conversations (like few sentences) not ones that i'm going to count.
Will get out to the shops again tomorrow and intend to show a LOT more balls! 3 Convos in 3 days so far.

 

[englishman]

http://www.highstatusmale.com/Minicourse/tslb417.htm

Was looking at this free stuff, guy has some interesting points re; just who to approach and when in order to NOT get rejected! worth checking out...

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Day 4 Week 3 (repeat)

All right cool, i'll have a browse through that sometime.
Bootcamp today, went out with a more positive approach than yesterday, could only afford about an hour in town so was determined to go and get the convos done.
First convo went well, saw this bird (HB8.5, very attractive, with the sort of look i go for) in this clothes shop browsing through some men's t-shirts, obviously looking for a xmas present for someone. Went up, was like 'I really can't see that looking right on you love'. Easy opener but it made her laugh and got convo flowing from there. Had quite a good convo for a couple of minutes, first about xmas presents and stuff, how difficult they are to buy for the opposite sex, then more general convo, said shes at uni here but is from very near where i'm actually at uni myself, so something to talk about there. Made her laugh quite a bit too, i've got a fairly good sense of humour i'd say. Anyway after a couple of minutes, she was like 'anyway, i'll be back in a bit to pick up that top', dunno why but i didn't even think to ask for her number. Arrrggghhh! When i asked for that birds number the day, i'd been mentally saying to myself throughout the convo 'Fvcking get her number before you leave', with this one i didn't think to and it wasn't till after that i thought 'damn why didn't i ask for her number?!'
I'm setting myself the target for this week of, as well as getting all the convos done, to ask for at least 2 numbers out the girls i talk to. Think having that target will keep it at the forefront of my mind.
Second convo: in another clothes shop, female sales assistant (HB7), asked for help looking for top for my sister, actually bought one in the end, was a good convo, managed to move it out of the normal customer/sales girl chat i mentioned yesterday, and had her laughing a lot as well.

Been thinking about openers as well in these situations, liked the one i did on the first convo today, simple but effective. Thats only possible in few situations though. Been reading Pugsey's 100 approach journal, i like the one "didn't we go to different schools together?', reckon that'd be guarenteed a laugh and it seems to have been working well for him. Anyone any other suggestions?
Same as yesterday, had 2 or 3 small convos that didn't really manage to get off the ground that much, some people just don't want to talk i suppose when they're out shopping.
Was much more on my game today than yesterday though, if i can go out tomorrow and do the same as today, but with a number close or 2 to go with it, then i'll be well pleased with myself.
Will post the progress tomorrow- 5 in 4 days is the score at the mo.

 

[englishman]

sounds good mate, whats it like in uk now? when i lived there 11 years ago, it wasnt as much about phone numbers as it is now here in canada...fact cell phones were these big clunky things that cost about 2 grand ? seemed more about go to the local pubs..see the same birds...get pissed up and end up going home with em...figure out after if you wanted to make anything of it.....

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Day 5 Week 3 (repeat)

sounds good mate, whats it like in uk now? when i lived there 11 years ago, it wasnt as much about phone numbers as it is now here in canada...fact cell phones were these big clunky things that cost about 2 grand ? seemed more about go to the local pubs..see the same birds...get pissed up and end up going home with em...figure out after if you wanted to make anything of it.....

The UK's good, i like most things British, though having said that i've got nothing to compare it to cos i've never spent much time abroad and when i have, its always been to a non-English speaking country such as France or Germany. I reckon i'd like to visit another english speaking country sometime, see how they compare, one of my best mates spent last summer in Australia and he said it was great. Reckon its much more about phone numbers here too than it was 10 years ago, natural thing is to get a bird's number, text her, gauge IL from the response and go from there. In terms of pulling birds down the local, thats never been something that i've really done, the local pubs round where i live are all full of grizzly old men sitting round drinking bitter and moaning about something, reckon it depends really where abouts you live. There's a couple of pubs round the outskirts of my uni campus which have a lot more potential, if i wanna go on the pull though, its ten times easier to just head down to the students union. Reckon the pub pick-up is something i'll be doing more once i've finished uni and don't have the luxury of a night out 5 minutes walk from my front door!

In terms of my bootcamp today, i headed into town again - Got a fair bit of time on my hands this week cos i'm home from uni but not yet started my xmas job - working in a nightclub starting back Monday. Its a great job for getting birds, i'm looking forward to testing out the difference my improved DJ skills make since i've been doing bootcamp.
Got 3 done in total, prowled the shops for a couple of hours, didn't manage to get started for a while. Then got 2 convos in fairly quick succession, both were ok convos with decent looking girls (8.5 and 7.5 i'd guess). Basic approach was same for both, saw them looking at something in shop, went and looked at same thing or something near, and made a comment about it to start convo from there. Didn't number close either though, one had mentioned in convo she was looking for a present for her boyfriend and the other was just polite convo, would have felt a bit of a weirdo asking for the number. Thats the thing- i've usually got the balls to go for the number if i've got some rapport cos it feels a lot more natural. This was the case with the last convo- approached this bird in Next (clothes shop mainly but with some other bits and pieces), this bird (HB8) was messing about with some sort of kiddies horse racing game, the kind of gimmicky thing that only sells at xmas, I was like 'hows this work then?', she was like 'I dunno, wot you actually supposed to do with it?', and developed convo from there. Was really on my game with her, made her laugh a lot, established what i thought was a really good rappot, she was smiling a lot, asking me loads of questions, i thought i was in. Her mate then came up, been trying something on i think, she was fvcking stunning (HB9) and i started chatting to her too for a bit, her IL in me seemed high too. Guess thats social proof - she'd seen me chatting to her mate and making her mate laugh, probably made her IL in me go up a notch or 2. Anyway, before i left, i asked the girl i'd been talking to 1st for her number (in front of her mate, i din't give a sh!t tho, i wasn't embarssed), she was like 'Ooh, er, i dunno, i've not actually got my phone with me', i was like 'Can give you mine if you like?', she was like 'well i have already got a boyfriend....', she still sounded unsure, like she didn't sound like she wanted to say no, but i wasn't pushing it, so i was like 'oh right thats cool, i'll see you later then'. I was quite surprised to get knocked back given the sky high IL i'd detected before, reckon i'd have been in if she hadn't had a boyfriend and been with her mate. Also made the mistake of asking for the number rather than saying 'give me your number'. Would love to have heard the conversation between her and her mate afterwards, see what they were saying about me.
Anyway, i was still pleased with the approach, i'm getting much more confident, thats 8 convos for the 5 days now.

 

[englishman]

"the local pubs round where i live are all full of grizzly old men sitting round drinking bitter and moaning about something.'

lol, yep know what you mean, i went back after 6 years and some characters i used to know where still sat in the same chair, looking bored as fvck......
sounds like your making a lot of progress mate...I know what you mean about asking just any chick for a number...you gotta get 'invited' in a way...kinda subtle, but the chick will give you the green light .... was out about 2 months ago and pissed as a rat..got this chicks number and put it in my phone......next day was like ...fvck cant remember what she looked like.....anyway never called her.......so I was supposed to meet this other chick who cancelled..so i was like fvck...i,ll call this one ...calls her up leaves a message saying i had to go to england for 6 weeks..etc..
anyway she calls back!!!! I was pretty amazed...so i set up the date.....couldnt remeber her, only that she was dark and origionally from brazil....so i built this idea in my head of this latino beauty...about 25 years old HB9...well you guessed the rest ;-) I
meet the chick and im thinking fvck man..the power of beer googles..so I figured ah well...if i drink enough maybe she'll look good again..lol......so tried it...didnt work though..the only good thing i could find that i liked about her was her hands and tits.....in the end we went to a club and I lost her....ah well...cant win em all!

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Day 6 Week 3 (repeat)

Well, thats week 3 completed for me!
Got 3 convos done today, so done 11 for the week now.
Again, went into town, needed to do some xmas shopping anyway. First 2 convos were nothing special, used the usual approach of going to look at the same thing they were looking at in a shop, and using that to start up a convo. Both the 1st 2 girls i talked to were nice looking and talkative and friendly, both were out with other blokes though, so was always just gonna be friendly chit-chat. 3rd convo was a bit bizarre: was walking back to the car, this bird (HB8.5) comes up to me and asks if i know where the station is (she initiated convo so maybe not a bootcamp score, whatever, i'd completed the week anyway). I was like 'yeh i'm going that way (I was anyway), come with me if you like'. So i was walking with her for about 5-10 minutes, she was the kind of dippy blonde bird who just talks and talks, i was chatting to her and gaming her quite well, made her laugh a lot and flirting with her too. I remember she goes to me at one point 'Were you actually going this way anyway?', I was like 'Fvcking hell, you're an attractive girl but do you really think i'd go about 10 minutes out my way just to show you where the station is?!', she started laughing and punched me on the arm for that. Anyway, when i got to my car (which was parked just before the station), she was like 'Oh thanks so much for your help' and she grabbed me in a hug and kissed me on the lips for a couple of seconds while she had one hand on my arse. I wasn't complaining, she was fit and i got her number before i left. Might have to give her a call sometime soon she doesn't live that far away and i reckon she's the kind of bird who'd put out quite easy.
Anyway, in terms of bootcamp, i'm taking this weekend off from it now since i've got nothing planned for the weekend thats likely to involve coming across any birds. I'll get the week 4 stuff printed off the computer and have a read through that over the weekend ready for starting the drills Monday. 10 rejections, Sh!t that sounds quite tough, though not as bad as it seemed when i read through the bootcamp stuff for the first time before starting week 1. I couldn't imagine doing it back then, though it seems more do-able now, as i've been rejected going for numbers twice in the last week anyway. Still fvcking tough though.
When i first read about a goal to be rejected 10 times in a week, it really made me laugh, as i started thinking of all the different ways in which you could act like a complete w@nker in order to guarentee getting rejected. You could go up to a bird, grab your b0llocks and go 'Oi slag, wanna suck it?' She'd be like 'fvck off you w@nker' and you'd be like 'Yes!! One rejection, only nine to go!' Obviously, I realise this isn't the idea, though anyone who wants to try it has got my ultimate respect!!

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Day 1 Week 4

Sh!t! - Day 1 done with no rejections!
Day 1 was actually yesterday, got in very late last night though so posting it today.
Started working back in my old job last night, glass collecting in a nightclub. Last time i worked there was a few months back before i started learning SoSuave and doing bootcamp and i was looking forward to putting my newfound skills and confidence to the test.
Would think that this would be the ideal job for getting bootcamp done but i actually found it much harder than i'd expected though to get talking to birds in the first place. Didn't help that i was assigned to work the dance floor, by far the loudest area where having any sort of conversation is pretty impossible really. It's also a bit weird that having the balls to approach i one situation doesn't mean you have the balls to approach in another. For example, over the last 2 or 3 months, i've pretty much managed to overcome the fear of approaching birds when i'm out in clubs myself, and last week doing week 3, i managed to overcome the fear of approaching and chatting up birds in shops. Yet last night working, i still had the same fvcking fear!! Dunno what it is really, reckon its hard to feel part of the party a bit when everyone's drunk and dancing round and you're sober and carrying around a tray full of crap.
Whatever it is, I'm determined to overcome it. Working again tonight, lets see if i can make more of it and start clocking up those rejections.

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Days 2,3,4 Week 4

Yo
This is the update for the last 3 days of week 4. I didn't post for days 2 and 3 simply cos there wasn't much going on. Unfortunately, this week started off very much like my first attempt at week 3 :- I wasn't that focused on bootcamp or motivated enough to take myself another step outside my comfort zone.
I made up my mind to change that yesterday though (which was day 4). As I've mentioned, I've been working in a nightclub last few nights doing glass collecting. This might sound like it should be a piece of piss to pick up all the rejections, being in a nightclub surrounded by birds. Its not necessarily though, as most the birds go there to get drunk and pull someone that night, which doesn't make chatting up then getting numbers thats easy when you're working. Also, as a member of staff, i don't feel like i can just go round cracking onto loads of birds like i do when i'm out.
However, i still didn't make enough effort over the first 3 days of this week, and was determined to make an improvement at work last night.
Was ideal last night in that i was started work as soon as the club opened (sometimes can be a couple of hours after) - the early part of the evening's by far the best for chatting up birds as its full of groups of 2-3 birds sitting round on the sofas and not too drunk at this time, so its ideal for chatting them up and getting some solid groundwork in.
Anyway got 1 rejection last night. Early on in the night, had helped out this stunning bird (HB9, fairly tall, good body, blonde hair, nice face ) with something work-related, she was very friendly and i wanted to make sure i bumped into her again later. Bit later, was chatting to this girl Natalie (HB7.5) who i know, when the HB9 came upand wsa like 'Oh wow you know him?', turned out it was her mate, so i was chatting to both of them for a bit, left with the promise i'd see them a bit later.
Anyway, later on, i bumped into Natalie again, was chatting, when her mate (HB9 from before) came up behind me, had her hands on my waist and was grinding my arse, sort of flirting/joking like. So i turned round, was like 'hey how you doing' and was chatting her up properly, giving her the kino etc, she seemed into me, there was no way i was turning down the opportunity, so i asked for her number. She was like 'yeh sure', i was like 'cool, i'll just pop and get my phone, its in the staff room, be a couple minutes', she was like 'actually we were just about to go upstairs (clubs got 3 floors), i'll come down here and give you my number at the end of the night'. Thought about insisting i'd take it straight away but i hought 'no it'll test how interested she is in me' so i was like 'yeh ok i'm on this floor all night'.
Anyway, didn't see her after that, bit gutted simply cos she was so hot, consoled myself with the thought it was 1 on the rejection tally! Also quite surprised cos she'd given me all the signs of been into me, maybe i didn't quite read them right though. Oh well.
Also struck up fair few convos with other birds during the course of the night, none that i went for the number on, one i should have, she was hot, others i wasn't really bothered about.
Fvck that was a long story for 1 rejection!!!
In terms of bootcamp for the rest of the week, i'm working at the club tonight and boxing day so thats gonna be my opportunities for getting rejections. Christmas Day's gonna be a day off from bootcamp - i'm not working and its all gonna be a day with the family and i've got no fit aunties or cousins.
Can't see myself finishing the week this time round, i'm setting myself the target of 4 rejections for this week, then i'll re-attempt week 4 and have a proper crack at it.
Merry Christmas to everyone!

 

[englishman]

Re: Days 2,3,4 Week 4

Originally posted by GodsGiftToFatBirds

quite surprised cos she'd given me all the signs of been into me, maybe i didn't quite read them right though.

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lol, fvck me, I reckon youve got to strike while the irons hot mate, specially with hot chicks....may of come across like you didnt really give a fvck if you got her number or not..and not in a cool way...anyway just my 2 cents worth ..not like im the expert or anything...cheers
p.s. good idea to have a pen at all times....

 

[englishman]

Was sat at starbucks in summer with a mate outside.....guy stops next to us on side walk (path) he just starts to make convo with ANY women who walks past....he was like "..erm hey, hi....just hanging out here..I find its hard to start conversatios here in vancouver...."
really just saying the truth.....all the birds were polite..non told him to fvck off and within 10 minutes he had cracked up a conversation that was really going well with HB8.5 and ended up walking away with her!
I thought to myself, that has got to be the most ballsy guy ive seen, and what a skill to have!!!!!! no sitting at home planning nights out, months with out a chick...just get up, go downtown and pick up a nice looking chick... really set a standard for me.....

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Days 5,6,7 Week 4

lol, fvck me, I reckon youve got to strike while the irons hot mate, specially with hot chicks....may of come across like you didnt really give a fvck if you got her number or not..and not in a cool way

Oh yeh, i wasn't saying that i shouldn't have gone for the number, i was definately right to go for it, just saying that i was surprised not to get the number given the signs i'd got off her. Some girls act seriously flirty when i'm working in the club (e.g grinding against me when when i'm collecting the glasses, just messing about really) simply cos i'm working there, it can be tricky to tell which ones are actually into you and which are just having a laugh, nothing more.

Was sat at starbucks in summer with a mate outside.....guy stops next to us on side walk (path) he just starts to make convo with ANY women who walks past....he was like "..erm hey, hi....just hanging out here..I find its hard to start conversatios here in vancouver...."

I'm guessing thats all about how he said it as that line could come across as really pathetic if said without enough confidence. Just goes to show that you don't just have to stick to conventional approaches. I personally wouldn't use that line myself though.


For the bootcamp for the rest of the week, i still wasn't fully focused or motivated to get it done and only got one more rejection in, to take my weeks total to 2. The 2nd rejection was fairly similar to the 1st, girl who was flirting fairly heavily while i was working, she failed the real IL test though, when i went for the number. Like i said, its tricky to tell whos genuine and whos not.
Anyway, so repeating week 4. Been lacking a bit of inspiration over the last week. When i completed week 3, i went out round the shops every afternoon with the sole intention of getting the bootcamp tallies in, whereas since i've started week 4, i haven't been doing that, i've been trying to fit them in round other things i've been doing. For instance i'm at work primarily to work, and i've been trying to get my bootcamp done as a bonus, and i reckon thats made me lose my focus and determination a bit this week. I'm going to have a look through week 4 on some other people's bootcamps, see if i can give myself some inspiration and maybe some alternative ideas for ways to get the rejections in.
Any advice/inspiration/comments from anyone else would be welcome to.

 

[Bonhomme]

OK

So, GGFB, did you get around to calling the dippy blonde bird? Looked like she could be a lot of fun -- at least until the irritation factor gets too great, if you have a limited tolerance for that sort of thing. I actually like 'em a bit loopy myself, as long as they're intelligent on some level.

I'm guessing thats all about how he said it as that line could come across as really pathetic if said without enough confidence. Just goes to show that you don't just have to stick to conventional approaches. I personally wouldn't use that line myself though.

Direct hit. presentation is even more important than content, IMNSHO, mate. It looks like you're doing pretty well in that regard. Birds grinding you at work? If only they could be so aggressive here...

Regarding the High Status Male stuff by Mike Pilinski, it's 24-karat gold. About the best seduction literature out there. But it does appear a lot of the high status behaviors come naturally to you, GGFB, which is probably why so many of the fat birds waddle your way (horrible, I know, but I could not resist).

It's not that bad to have a spot of trouble # closing when you don't read a high enough IL from a bird. I pretty strictly pre-qualify 'em, too. Your instincts are right that it's a bit weird to go for a bird's # if you've not developed a bit of rapport or worked up a good enough vibe. It's OK to # close unnaturally early for a bootcamp exercise, but that's about it. But you do have to # close a bit more assertively when the vibe is good and the rapport is there. Like englishman says, strike when the iron is hot.

And another thing ... I'm not a believer in waiting a too long to call. "Swingers" came out a long time ago, and the cat is long since out of the bag. I make an effort to call a gal within 3 days of getting her #, unless there's a very good reason to wait longer (if one of you is going out of town, or something like that). Some of the sky-high IL gals got my # too, and called me before I got around to calling them, usually about 2 days after meeting.

All in all, looks like you're coming along well. Again, keep the big picture in mind, and don't pay too much mind to the stats.

 

[englishman]

Hi ggtfb....Im still here, just dont have anything insightfull to say.... ;-)

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Good to hear from you guys, been away from the site for a few days and not been doing bootcamp, been making excuses for myself not to re-attempt week 4. No more excuses now though, counting today as day 1 of week 4, will get the chance to rack up the tallies tonight at work (yes, i am actually working New Years Eve!!) and am going to make a real effort to do it, i haven't spent hours going out doing the drills and posting on this board just to let it all slip away now.

So, GGFB, did you get around to calling the dippy blonde bird?

I texted her a couple of days after actually, just normal hey how you doing sort of text, but she didn't reply, so i just considered her a next.

Birds grinding you at work? If only they could be so aggressive here...
Regarding the High Status Male stuff by Mike Pilinski, it's 24-karat gold. About the best seduction literature out there. But it does appear a lot of the high status behaviors come naturally to you, GGFB, which is probably why so many of the fat birds waddle your way (horrible, I know, but I could not resist).

It's not that bad to have a spot of trouble # closing when you don't read a high enough IL from a bird. I pretty strictly pre-qualify 'em, too. Your instincts are right that it's a bit weird to go for a bird's # if you've not developed a bit of rapport or worked up a good enough vibe. It's OK to # close unnaturally early for a bootcamp exercise, but that's about it. But you do have to # close a bit more assertively when the vibe is good and the rapport is there. Like englishman says, strike when the iron is hot.

And another thing ... I'm not a believer in waiting a too long to call. "Swingers" came out a long time ago, and the cat is long since out of the bag. I make an effort to call a gal within 3 days of getting her #, unless there's a very good reason to wait longer (if one of you is going out of town, or something like that). Some of the sky-high IL gals got my # too, and called me before I got around to calling them, usually about 2 days after meeting.

All in all, looks like you're coming along well. Again, keep the big picture in mind, and don't pay too much mind to the stats.

I've found this a good motivational post actually. That thing about it being ok to close unnaturally early in bootcamp was exactly what i needed to hear, because i have been waiting for a very natural time to go for numbers, basically worrying too much about what the girl will think and thinking too much rather than just going for it.
Maybe got to be a bit careful though, i remember the other day when i got my 2nd rejection in my first attempt at week 4, it was when i was working in the nightclub, had chatted up this bird when she'd been by herself but failed with the number attempt. Later on in the night, when i was doing my job, i passed her and she was with a guy. He goes 'you been after my girlfriend's number?', not in a nasty way like, i'm like 'yeh sorry mate, she your bird is she?'. The guy was sound actually, i'd chatted to him earlier in the night. It made me think though, there are some psychos who'd come up behind you and stick a bottle over your head in the same situation. Had a think of how i could find out if a bird was taken or not before going for the number, without just asking upfront, a good one i've come up with for when i'm working in the club is to ask if they're out on the pull that night, reckon thats a good way to get some banter going at the same time, as well as finding out their availability, they're bound to be like 'no, i got a boyfriend' if they have.

Oh also, where is that Mike Pilinski stuff, Bonhomme? I searched for it in the search engine but just got a load of different threads.
I also agree with what you say about keeping the big picture in mind, find that when i'm doing bootcamp though, the stats are a great motivational tool.
Happy New Year to everyone, i'll keep everyone well updated this coming week.

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Days 1&2 Week 4 Repeat

Yo
Just in from work, not gonna be able to post till quite late tomorrow so thought i'd post now and give a brief update of the first 2 days.
Been working in the club last 2 nights, got this bird's number tonight, she was quite fit (HB7.5-8, tall, blonde, dcent body, attractive but not a stunner), got chatting to her as i was working, she seemed into me so i asked for her number, she was like 'Ooh do you want it?' and gave me it. Then she goes 'you're really cute actually, give us a new years kiss', i was like 'you talking cheek or lips', she was like 'whatever you want', i was like 'alright but no tongues' and gave her a proper kiss, pulled away after a few seconds cos i was working and didn't want a bollocking off my boss. Numbers pretty useless to me though, cos i'm back at uni in a few days quite a long way away, and working every night before then, so no chance of even a quick shag (which is all i'd want from her anyway, to be honest). Might give her a text tomorrow anyway, dunno yet.
Other than that though, i've got no further with week 4. I've got to admit i've flaked on 2 good opportunities while i've been working, 1 was tonight, i chatted up this bird (HB8) who was sitting on 1 of the sofas with a mate, chatted to her for about 5 minutes, her IL seemed sky high but i didn't close the deal first time round and then made cop-out excuses not to go back and get it later. Sh!t!
Other one i should have gone for was last night, was chatting to this bird (HB9, she was hot!) quite briefly, had the IL (smiling lot, hand on my arm), i left the convo too early though when i should have kept chatting to her and then gone for the number.
Sh!t again!
Bootcamp's been constantly on my mind the last couple of days, but i haven't really pushed myself to put it into practise as much as i should have.
So, in spite of the success tonight, i still haven't scored any rejections for this week. Kind of seems unfair that, in terms of bootcamp, you don't get credit for gaming a girl well and so being successful at getting the number, whereas you do if you do crap, don't get the bird interested in you at all and hence get rejected! Not saying that if you get rejected then you necessarily did anything wrong, but you know what i mean.
Anyway, i'm playing to the rules so no rejections this week as yet.

 

[Bonhomme]

Rejections? Who needs 'em?

Kind of seems unfair that, in terms of bootcamp, you don't get credit for gaming a girl well and so being successful at getting the number, whereas you do if you do crap, don't get the bird interested in you at all and hence get rejected!

Damn straight, there, GG. Keep your focus where it should be. The implicit assumption behind getting the rejections is that the guy in bootcamp won't be able to get enough successes.

I say you're beyond that point, and getting rejections for their own sake will only hinder your game at theis point. Kinda like placing out of a beginner's course into the intermediate course.

 

[Not Quite There]

Re: Days 1&2 Week 4 Repeat

Originally posted by GodsGiftToFatBirds
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Numbers pretty useless to me though, cos i'm back at uni in a few days quite a long way away, and working every night before then, so no chance of even a quick shag (which is all i'd want from her anyway, to be honest). Might give her a text tomorrow anyway, dunno yet.

ISN'T THAT ALWAYS THE WAY!!!

i always find i meet girls i wanna see in situations when it can't happen, like just before i'm going back to uni, or when travelling!