"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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God I'm dumb!!

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This girl called me today who I've been kinda seeing, we'll call her Kimberly. She was on her break at work, and while we were talking I accidentally called her Katherine. She seemed kinda bothered by it and I was like "wow my bad!". I haven't even talked to a Katherine in years!

I'm half thinking about going over to her work and giving her a little flower or something just saying hey sorry...so what time are you off? Is that pretty afc though? What the crap should I do? I feel like it's a big deal/will make or break whether or not we go any farther.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I'm half thinking about going over to her work and giving her a little flower or something just saying hey sorry...
I'd say it's particularly AFC in this case, only because you're not even sure she's that upset about yet... your panicking a little here. She how she responds before you apologize anymore.

FYI- whether it's because I am spinning plates, drunk, or having a major brain-fart, I have done this many times. For future reference, be quicker on your feet next time and act like you did it on purpose. I once called a girl my ex's name during sex years ago (which is a reason I generally don't do that anymore, lol), and worse yet, she knew my ex's name and absolutely loathed her.

She was on top, and immediately stopped moving. Thinking fast, I laughed and smacked her on the ass, and acted like I did it to mess with her. And we were off again. :up:

It may sound a little cheesy, but other times where I've done it, the girl would be like "Katherine? WTF?" ... and I'd say something stupid like "Yes, I like Katherine better, it makes you sound like some high society b1tch and I am like the lowly pool boy."

I have yet to admit to doing it accidentally (always act like I am clowning around), and even if they aren't sure if they believe you, it doesn't really give them anywhere to go.
 

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MotownMack said:
I'd say it's particularly AFC in this case, only because you're not even sure she's that upset about yet... your panicking a little here. She how she responds before you apologize anymore.

FYI- whether it's because I am spinning plates, drunk, or having a major brain-fart, I have done this many times. For future reference, be quicker on your feet next time and act like you did it on purpose. I once called a girl my ex's name during sex years ago (which is a reason I generally don't do that anymore, lol), and worse yet, she knew my ex's name and absolutely loathed her.

She was on top, and immediately stopped moving. Thinking fast, I laughed and smacked her on the ass, and acted like I did it to mess with her. And we were off again. :up:

It may sound a little cheesy, but other times where I've done it, the girl would be like "Katherine? WTF?" ... and I'd say something stupid like "Yes, I like Katherine better, it makes you sound like some high society b1tch and I am like the lowly pool boy."

I have yet to admit to doing it accidentally (always act like I am clowning around), and even if they aren't sure if they believe you, it doesn't really give them anywhere to go.
lol, yeah on the phone I just kind of playfully said "no i didnt call you katherine!" "yeah my bad im sorry". She playfully responded "thats im just gonna go cry now i have to get back to work anyway (shes been at work for like the past 7 hours - long day)". I sent her a text saying "i feel really bad now :(" and havnt heard back. I kinda did something else dumb like this (not as bad) about a week ago to her and she wasn't so much mad at me as she was disappointed.

Eh, I kinda feel like a douche, but I donno. I have an afc past (and somewhat present) and it tends to speak up every now and then, and I don't know what to do sometimes.
 

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I sent her a text saying i feel really bad now
And a year ago, being a "nice guy", I might have been inclined to do something like this too.

It's a bad idea, because even if you really do feel bad, the message you've now sent her is "yes, this is a big deal", even though it sounds like she may not have thought that way originally. Let's hope she doesn't start thinking "Hey, maybe I should be more upset"

It doesn't sound like she was that pissed. Trust me on this one, don't address it again unless she brings it up. If she does bring up, laugh it off initially, unless she forces you to address it. If she forces you to address it, I would start to turn it on her a little like the other poster was saying, something to the effect of "Geesh, people do this all the time. I don't even know a Katherine, it meant nothing. If you're going to get this upset over something this meaningless, what other surprises do I have ahead of me?"

Squash it.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Jon55 said:
lol, yeah on the phone I just kind of playfully said "no i didnt call you katherine!" "yeah my bad im sorry". She playfully responded "thats im just gonna go cry now i have to get back to work anyway (shes been at work for like the past 7 hours - long day)". I sent her a text saying "i feel really bad now :(" and havnt heard back. I kinda did something else dumb like this (not as bad) about a week ago to her and she wasn't so much mad at me as she was disappointed.

Eh, I kinda feel like a douche, but I donno. I have an afc past (and somewhat present) and it tends to speak up every now and then, and I don't know what to do sometimes.

These are perfect examples of being AFC. You shouldn't have apologized once but apologizing later in a text was bad and feeling like douche is even worse.
 

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you're a douche because you sent her that messafe "i feel bad now"

that just sounds way too needy and weak

she probably wasn't too bothered about it, and now she's got it in her head that you want her more than she wants you

dont bring it up again
 

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MotownMack said:
And a year ago, being a "nice guy", I might have been inclined to do something like this too.

It's a bad idea, because even if you really do feel bad, the message you've now sent her is "yes, this is a big deal", even though it sounds like she may not have thought that way originally. Let's hope she doesn't start thinking "Hey, maybe I should be more upset"

It doesn't sound like she was that pissed. Trust me on this one, don't address it again unless she brings it up. If she does bring up, laugh it off initially, unless she forces you to address it. If she forces you to address it, I would start to turn it on her a little like the other poster was saying, something to the effect of "Geesh, people do this all the time. I don't even know a Katherine, it meant nothing. If you're going to get this upset over something this meaningless, what other surprises do I have ahead of me?"

Squash it.
:yes:. You're basically telling her that you are a wuss and she owns you IMO. Keep things light and funny and if she doesn't have a sense of humor then let her know you're not too happy about that.
 

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You are completely dependent on a woman's approval. Once you realised your mistake you could have said - 'hey dumbass why didn't you tell me your name's not Katherine?' or 'Well you look like a Katherine to me, so please change your name.'

The middle ground - 'Oh, I'm rubbish with names, aren't you? (everyone is, common bond) People should be forced to wear nametags (laugh).

Just see the funny side of things and stop worrying. STOP WORRYING!
 

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Whoa lol ok I got it. No more apologizing. Part of me felt like the text was a bit much anyway. Thanks again guys. You know the old "angel" and "devil that sit on your shoulders telling you what you should do? Well for me it's an "afc" and a "dj". I'm listening to the dj a lot more now, but still come across those moments when I don't know which one is right.

EDIT: God, looking at it again after reading your comments, it really does seem like I'm making it a big deal. Now I'm repulsed by myself. Yikes!
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I'm listening to the dj a lot more now, but still come across those moments when I don't know which one is right.
It's a continual process, don't beat yourself up over it. We all learn from our failures and mistakes. Just file this one away and move on.
 

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Dude, if you had just stopped at getting her name wrong then it would've been a 'qualifying' move for you, but nooo you had to think that messing up her name was a bad thing. You didn't even know that you'd done the right thing.

Next time, tell her that, you know 7 other Kimberlys and that you're gonna call her Kimberly #5. This is just playful banter, and it will work to your favor if you play it right.
 

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Dude, if you had just stopped at getting her name wrong then it would've been a 'qualifying' move for you, but nooooooooooooooooooo you had to think that messing up her name was a bad thing. You didn't even know that you'd done the right thing.

Next time, tell her that, you know 7 other Kimberlys and that you're gonna call her Kimberly #5. This is just playful banter, and it will work to your favor if you play it right.
Lmfao.. brilliant. That's even better than my suggestion.
 

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I find it amusing that you think this is a big deal. You don't need to anything for her.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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If she's your girlfriend then apologizing is okay.

If she's some girl you're gaming, no need to apologize. In your case, it's to late because you've already apologized twice.

Best thing to do is forget it ever happened.
 

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MotownMack said:
She was on top, and immediately stopped moving. Thinking fast, I laughed and smacked her on the ass, and acted like I did it to mess with her. And we were off again. :up:
Nice recovery. I might have to add this to my mind fvck arsenal.
 
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