Go for the kiss and denied/friend zoned

[zinc4]

Had an okaycupid girl HB 7.5 take a taxi from one hour away to meet me and go to the beach with me yesterday.

We got to the beach by taking a hidden trail down the side of a big hill....on the beach we sit on a big rock drinking red wine everything is going well, so after an hour and a half or so I go for the kiss. She gets extremely uncomfortable stands up and says I think see should walk somewhere now.

So we start walking I switch to holding her hand she says feels weird to move so fast. Now the hand thing might sound beta as f$ck to u guys but I have had great success with it here in China. So I ignore what she says we walk a bit I try again this time she let's it be know she is serious, doesn't want me to kiss her at all. First time I've been flat out rejected for a kiss on a first date since I've been here.

She then basically told me she's not into me like that and I'm cute but not handsome and sorry if I'm disappointed. I tell her I go on a lot of dates and it's not so serious for me.

10 mins later, we are walking to the bus stop, she says maybe this should be our only date i tell her no problem this is the only and last time we will see each other. She kind of hestitates at this. I ignore like it's no big deal.

Five mins later walking, she says this is much better just talking and no pressure. I agree and get in the bus I start telling her I'm actually just using online dating to get over an ex. She seems intrigued by this.

She says she is really hungry and wants to eat.... usually I would always say no in this situation but I'm buzzed on wine and actually having a good conversation with her. So I say no at first then say okay **** it let's go I'll just drink a beer.

We get to the restaurant and I order a beer and some soup and am just talking about the dynamics of dating and woken and men in general. Then she abruptly interrupt s and says you know what I think if I could get the image of you as the okaycupid guy (her first time meeting a guy online apparently) I could like you.

I just say yeah we are both just two normal people having dinner forget about the okaycupid thing.

So we have a good convo she pays for the dinner and I tell her I'm going to futian to meet some friends....she says she can give me a ride in her taxi call on the way back to her place.

I oblige since its like a 20 buck ride but tell her I need to go home change clothes first...she accepts I tell her to wait outside my hotel while I'm changing.....I might could have made a move on her here successful ly not sure but at that point I just wanted to go to cocopark and get drunk look for new girls.

We had a good convo in the taxi and as i step out at my destination...she gave me an awkward big hug as if she was sad to part ways. I barely reciprocated, was a bit buzzed at this point.

We had to wear these annoying masks most the date except for on the beach because of this ****ty virus. Of ourse when I got to Coco it was empty because of this virus. China sucks right now during all of this.

Probably won't waste any more time on her unless she pursues me, because low interest women rarely end well. The egotistical part of me definitely wants one more try though, but is probably not a great idea. First time I've been rejected on date here.

Might change my game up a bit though to hold off on kino/ kissing/sex until second dates. Chinese women seem to respond better to this....I'm pretty aggressive by nature though.

 

[MrWood]

Might change my game up a bit though to hold off on kino/ kissing/sex until second dates. Chinese women seem to respond better to this

yea.
hand holding can actually work, just straight situational kino works better w/Chinese. Kissing is what a BF does, not a date and especially not in public... even in secluded areas.

You handled it very good, in my opinion this is a typical Chinese scenario in the way she reacted... or should I say,
how you recovered and responded after she rejected you.

Did you notice how you "passed the test" = her interest in continuing to follow you after you didnt get all needy and was willing to part ways

Honestly this is the most common "sh1t test" on a first meet with Chinese. They love it and @zinc4 has a big shot at a 2nd date success.

Next date should repeat the first, but have going to your place and chill as an option to offer because the city is so dead.
Have some red wine on hand... good luck.

 

[zinc4]

Well, she claims she is very superficial and I'm just not her type looks wise. It seemed sincere. Not sure game can overcome it but I guess I can try.

 

[MrWood]

Let her claim whatever she wants, agree and sidestep.

note: Chinese girls dont do well with "players" or "singles dating", they are always on the prowl for a (potential) LTR and screen for guys with ONS intentions. Im not saying they dont do ONS, but its just not happening normally unless you are dealing with loose girls which you really dont want anyway.

Most Chinese girls are very low mileage even at 30

 

[zinc4]

Okay guys, just texted her and seemed very reciprocative....will wait a few days or a week or so and ask her out again.

 

[zinc4]

Update: I have been self quarantining myself here for the past 5 days guys. 5 confirmed corona virus cases living right around me in my neighborhood....no telling how many are actually infected here by now. It really effing sucks.

Gaming women besides using social media isn't really an option right now.

However, regarding this thread, the girl from the OP initiated contact with me on wechat today after I went radio silence for about 4 days or so.

After some trivial small talk I said oh, why you texted me...you must miss me ;p

She said, I missed "hahaha, malking to you" obliviously referring to our first date **** test she was throwing.

Kind of annoying but I chose to ignore that and said once this virus clears up how about dinner and drinks sometime.

She says yes, I guess we can

I just said sounds like a plan but let's watch this virus first then we proceeded to some more small talk about wearing gloves and ****. She left me a joyful emoji at the end.

Honestly I'm not a fan of **** tests like these...they even come off as subtle negs to me.

I'll probably be having to leave the country once I get my salary on the 15th as the situation here seems to be growing worse daily. Would definitely like to see if I could lay her second date, though. It's kind of an ego thing, I guess. Never been **** tested that hard on a first date here in China before...most chicks usually give in.

 

[7onriverI f]

Yeah I don't get interest from Asian girls even though I'm talking to one right now.
Mostly black girls, some white girls and South American too. I'm a white guy. Like a black man once told me go and hit on those black girls your like superman to them.

 

[RickTheToad]

Had an okaycupid girl HB 7.5 take a taxi from one hour away to meet me and go to the beach with me yesterday.

We got to the beach by taking a hidden trail down the side of a big hill....on the beach we sit on a big rock drinking red wine everything is going well, so after an hour and a half or so I go for the kiss. She gets extremely uncomfortable stands up and says I think see should walk somewhere now.

So we start walking I switch to holding her hand she says feels weird to move so fast. Now the hand thing might sound beta as f$ck to u guys but I have had great success with it here in China. So I ignore what she says we walk a bit I try again this time she let's it be know she is serious, doesn't want me to kiss her at all. First time I've been flat out rejected for a kiss on a first date since I've been here.

She then basically told me she's not into me like that and I'm cute but not handsome and sorry if I'm disappointed. I tell her I go on a lot of dates and it's not so serious for me.

10 mins later, we are walking to the bus stop, she says maybe this should be our only date i tell her no problem this is the only and last time we will see each other. She kind of hestitates at this. I ignore like it's no big deal.

Five mins later walking, she says this is much better just talking and no pressure. I agree and get in the bus I start telling her I'm actually just using online dating to get over an ex. She seems intrigued by this.

She says she is really hungry and wants to eat.... usually I would always say no in this situation but I'm buzzed on wine and actually having a good conversation with her. So I say no at first then say okay **** it let's go I'll just drink a beer.

We get to the restaurant and I order a beer and some soup and am just talking about the dynamics of dating and woken and men in general. Then she abruptly interrupt s and says you know what I think if I could get the image of you as the okaycupid guy (her first time meeting a guy online apparently) I could like you.

I just say yeah we are both just two normal people having dinner forget about the okaycupid thing.

So we have a good convo she pays for the dinner and I tell her I'm going to futian to meet some friends....she says she can give me a ride in her taxi call on the way back to her place.

I oblige since its like a 20 buck ride but tell her I need to go home change clothes first...she accepts I tell her to wait outside my hotel while I'm changing.....I might could have made a move on her here successful ly not sure but at that point I just wanted to go to cocopark and get drunk look for new girls.

We had a good convo in the taxi and as i step out at my destination...she gave me an awkward big hug as if she was sad to part ways. I barely reciprocated, was a bit buzzed at this point.

We had to wear these annoying masks most the date except for on the beach because of this ****ty virus. Of ourse when I got to Coco it was empty because of this virus. China sucks right now during all of this.

Probably won't waste any more time on her unless she pursues me, because low interest women rarely end well. The egotistical part of me definitely wants one more try though, but is probably not a great idea. First time I've been rejected on date here.

Might change my game up a bit though to hold off on kino/ kissing/sex until second dates. Chinese women seem to respond better to this....I'm pretty aggressive by nature though.

Forget this one. With Asians, unless the attraction is sky high, you need to take your time. Start with some caressing of the arm, then hold her hand from time to time taking her place different things to see/experience. Asians are good to take to museums and art galleries. You can out of no where, take their hand and say hey, look at this, let's go here, etc. and lead the way.

 

[Rictor1]

Don’t ever have logical conversations with women. They feel something about you first, and then they just backwards rationalize.
In laymans terms, women feel lack of trust and then rationalize you must not be her type while simultaneously feeling attracted to you.

I've learned this the hard way. But what do you do about this incongruence? Does it then become more about her insecurity and less about you? Do you just let it fizzle out?

 

[zinc4]

Dude she said this because you are moving to fast. Most girls are not going to be a same day.
Let these girls come to you. Push/pull
When a girl says this directly your missing some other clue that your in too much push.

Try cutting the first date a bit short once. Why not put her in the space of she needs to show a bit of value before you tounge punch her. Or better said, value for yourself.

Escalation is valuable but do it at the wrong time it can counter productive at the beginning.

I actually usually have great success with first date escalation going for the bang usually but not here in China. Backfires on me here more often than not usually later on.

For me, the mindset is simple, I want their bodies just like I want a juicy burger when I see one. Not a fan of wasting time and dates although obviously that's what is required at times.

 

[7onriverI f]

Honestly I don’t suffer from this sticking point anymore because my game is mostly assuming rapport. So women feel like they’ve known me forever as soon as we interact with each other.

I've had girls tell me that they feel like they have known me forever within 20 mins of meeting. I recall one of these girls saying once we got back to my house that they don't suck ****. Well I wanna *** on their face and have them suck my ****.

Should of asked why she doesn't. Another girl told me she doesn't like to have *** blasted on her face because it makes her feel like someone is spitting on her after I asked her why. She's done a piss on another guys face in the shower before so maybe she secretly likes that instead.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I've had girls tell me that they feel like they have known me forever within 20 mins of meeting. I recall one of these girls saying once we got back to my house that they don't suck ****. Well I wanna *** on their face and have them suck my ****.

Should of asked why she doesn't. Another girl told me she doesn't like to have *** blasted on her face because it makes her feel like someone is spitting on her after I asked her why. She's done a piss on another guys face in the shower before so maybe she secretly likes that instead.

Nigga what