Give your phone # or ask for hers?

[Technical1]

Hey guys,

Tariq Nasheed on Mack Lessons suggests you give a girl your number, instead of our paradigm of number closing the girl. He says if she's interested, she WILL call you. That seems to make sense at least on the surface.

What do you guys think? I think this guys game is geared towards black women, and I've heard they are more aggressive than white women (which I am going for) so maybe its not the best tactic?

Also, something else...I tried to number close a chick after a good 10 minute convo in a bar, and she said, "Wait, let me get your number". Thats basically a rejection, isnt it? If I ask and she wants my # instead? Obviously because its been 3 days and she hasnt called...

(someone please point out whats already obvious... )

Tech

 

[AlanB]

I can't see that it is a good idea.

I think that if they ask you for your number before you get a chance to ask for theirs, you should either suggest swapping numbers or if it is a mobile number; say something like "Give me your number and I'll text you mine later." If you ask for their number and they counter-offer by asking for yours I'd just try and turn it round and if there is too much resistance, I'd just say "No, thats alright then, was great to meet you but I've got to go"

I think it depends where you meet them but if it is in a club/bar or something, I think that most girls, by the next day are not going to have much inclination left to call anyone, a lot still think it makes them look too forward/desperate. That is why I think the idea of getting their number and texting yours back can be a good idea sometimes. You just send a message on the way home or the next day along the lines of "Had a great night, was good to meet you. We should chat/get together sometime." Then the ball is in their court but you can always still give them a ring in a couple of days if you don't hear back.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Hm.. That's a really good point. The only times I've given my number out it's usually the black girls who call me back.

Very very true that they're more aggressive than most races. Very good point.

 

[MacAvoy]

It is a good point and an indicator of interest. But your also giving your balls to her. Its your choice. I prefer to be the man and take control. But its your life.

 

[Magma]

Hey guys,

Tariq Nasheed on Mack Lessons suggests you give a girl your number, instead of our paradigm of number closing the girl. He says if she's interested, she WILL call you. That seems to make sense at least on the surface.


Tech

This is the difference between the theoretical and the practical. ALWAYS get her number. Yes, in theory, if she is interested, she SHOULD call. That's KBJ seduction, imo. It doesn't happen that way in the field. Believe me.


One way to do this is the email close. Have her jot down her email. They are more willing to do this. Don't ask me why because I have no idea, they just are. It has something to do with being less intrusive. While she is writing down her email, casually tell her to write down her number too.

Tech: Why don't you give me your email?
B1tch: Sure! *begins to write it down*
Tech: Go ahead and put you number there too.
B1tch: Ok!

Don't ask me what the psychological reasoning is for this. It just works. She is already writing and has that momentum going. It will feel natural to her to include her number. What Nasheed said is theoretical. This method is practical. It's field tested and will minimize flakes.

Regarding giving your number to the woman and her not calling you...

Lesson learned is all. Not a big deal. I used to think that when a woman took my number (instead of me getting it from her) it was not a rejection. Believe me, you got rejected. Fvck it. It's a part of the game.

 

[MacAvoy]

One way to do this is the email close. Have her jot down her email. They are more willing to do this. Don't ask me why because I have no idea, they just are.

Because DavidD told you so. Great addition though.

 

[AlanB]

One way to do this is the email close. Have her jot down her email. They are more willing to do this. Don't ask me why because I have no idea, they just are. It has something to do with being less intrusive. While she is writing down her email, casually tell her to write down her number too.

Tech: Why don't you give me your email?
B1tch: Sure! *begins to write it down*
Tech: Go ahead and put you number there too.
B1tch: Ok!

Don't ask me what the psychological reasoning is for this. It just works. She is already writing and has that momentum going. It will feel natural to her to include her number.

This is a common technique in sales (which obviously has major analogies here) I think they call it pyramid of yes's or something.

 

[Magma]

I don't read David D. I got that tip from someone else way back. It works.

And is David D the only dude capable of thinking up something like an email close? Pffftt....

 

[Magma]

This is a common technique in sales (which obviously has major analogies here) I think they call it pyramid of yes's or something.

Exactly.

 

[Technical1]

thanks Magma, I think you cleared it up for me.

 

[SickAgain]

no guys fvck emails. best way to do it is to pull out your phone and say something along the lines of "call yourself" this way you're getting her number, and she has yours. it cuts through all the fake numbers, etc. i even get called first when i do this.

but to answer the original question, giving your number to a girl is a waste of time. unless you're the biggest pimp/woman swoon inducer, girls will never call you.

 

[MacAvoy]

no guys fvck emails. best way to do it is to pull out your phone and say something along the lines of "call yourself" this way you're getting her number, and she has yours. it cuts through all the fake numbers, etc. i even get called first when i do this.

I agree with this. When you give her your phone, it does two things, she has to take it unless she's a real b1tch in which case, its perfect, you don't want her number. The psychology behind women avoiding confrontation forces them to take the phone.

Secondly and more importantly, it cuts down on fake numbers because they have to punch it in. Its harder to physically type in a fake number because they are use to dialing.

 

[Magma]

no guys fvck emails. best way to do it is to pull out your phone and say something along the lines of "call yourself" this way you're getting her number, and she has yours. it cuts through all the fake numbers, etc. i even get called first when i do this.

but to answer the original question, giving your number to a girl is a waste of time. unless you're the biggest pimp/woman swoon inducer, girls will never call you.

I am not advocating to email her first off. On the contrary, I think you should call (and fvck that "wait three days" b.s.). I DO think that emails have their place, if used VERY SPARINGLY and strategically. Just another tool in the toolbox, as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes those tools don't get used very much, but each tool has a specific use under precise circumstances. Just an analogy.

MacAvoy, I like the psychological reasoning behind handing her the phone. I usually don't do this, but I might have to try.

Sometimes, after I get the number, I'll press Send right away in front of them so they can have the number programmed in their phone. It also filters out fake numbers. This has worked to my benefit on a number of occasions, where the woman has contacted me first because she has my number. But you MUST get her number at the very least.