"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Enjin 7

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my girlfriend admits that she is completely into me and would never cheat on me, (and then gave me all of these reasons why I am her ideal guy)... but I mean fuuuuuuuuck...

she has a lot of guy friends. and she makes an effort to make new guy friends. guys are mostly all attracted to her, because... well...she's hott. she says that she has always got along better with guys, tho.

so how should I react to this? its annoying to have her "hanging out" with guy friends. As we all know, guys dont like hott girls as just friends, so I know while she is "hanging out" they are trying to "hit that ****" lol.

I dont want to be the jealous bf type and be like NO YOU CANT HANG OUT WITH THEM... but seriously... you know what I mean.
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Beware women with all guy friends. Usually they are attention *****s or pyschos. Sorry bro have to be honest here. Take it for what it is and enjoy your time together but this won't work out long term.

She is stringing along a bunch of AFCs as part of her attention seeking video game in her mind. Apparently she is on the high scores list... :)
 

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They're not even her "friends". You said yourself they are with her because she is "hot".

They are lurking and watching for a chance. They may even sabotage your relationship to their favor. What is she reaping from these guys??? Honesty, advice, support, comeradity, really, what part of a friendship do these men offer her?

I am not trying to add to your fears here but I do not feel a male/female friendship truly exist. I believe that one of the partners is in it for more then they let on.

I have some male acquaintances and even these men I would never meet or speak to outside the presence or acknowledgment of my lover.

Does she know you do not like it?

I think you should tell her your opinion about the friendships, going unsaid or letting it fester will only take it to a point of no return once you do open up to her.
 

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Im 19. This is my first real gf. I am trying to handle all of this new situation and decide what is acceptable and what is not.

I can say yes: she is an attention *****. many of our conversations consist of her saying that something is wrong with her and that she needs my help... when there is for real nothing wrong with her.

and I agree with you: there are no such thing as a male/female friendship. I just dont see how that could happen. I only have one true female friend who I really only want friendship with. (honestly).

so letting her know that these friendships arent acceptable is acceptable in this context? understand I am still trying to get some experience in the whole "girlfriend" thing.

I can see now that the situation has changed since we first met. I can see that at first, she was trying to get me... and now... I feel that she has strung me along to a position of struggling to keep her. **** that. I honestly can get most any woman I want. (not being ****y, just honest... bleh)

p.s. watching fight club again puts everything in perspective.
 

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I'm friends with a 'hot girl' and I enjoy hanging out and talking to her. But that's besides the point.

Just because your girlfriend is hot, doesn't mean she's going to cheat on you. She is still equipped with the ability to say "no" to any man who makes advances towards her. If you don't think she'll take advantage of that ability then breaking up with her is a better option than telling her who she can and can't hang out with.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Some more red flags to watch out for:

- Stays "buddies" w/all ex's
- Has none, or only 1 female friend
- Flirts/kinos guys infront of you
- Afraid of commitment
- Personality disorder of any kind
- Low self esteem
- Jealous of other girls
- Competes for attention infront of girls
- Narcism
- Parents divorced many times
- Does she resent her father in any way?
- Look what her mother looks+acts like
- Judge by actions here, not words

My experience with an AW:
Ex/gf oneitis had ALL these symptoms and let me down EASY... to "find herself" and "be single" while she was hooking up with guys as soon as she ended our LDR. Walking the tight rope with these girls that NEED saving CAN cause bad oneitis, you may want to get out early while you can -- unless you're willing to put up with cheating, lying, and jealousy. Guy friends orbit around to strike at her once they spot your relationship is weak. You can make it work, but the drama is NOT worth it IMO though. She can suck you into her world long after your gone. I still to this day receive SMS/emails/calls from my ex-gf and I have a strict policy of no contact, but she's relentless in pursuing my attention after I walked away smooth six months ago.
 

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resilient said:
Some more red flags to watch out for:

- Stays "buddies" w/all ex's
- Has none, or only 1 female friend
- Flirts/kinos guys infront of you
- Afraid of commitment
- Personality disorder of any kind
- Low self esteem
- Jealous of other girls
- Competes for attention infront of girls
- Narcism
- Parents divorced many times
- Does she resent her father in any way?
- Look what her mother looks+acts like
- Judge by actions here, not words

My experience with an AW:
Ex/gf oneitis had ALL these symptoms and let me down EASY... to "find herself" and "be single" while she was hooking up with guys as soon as she ended our LDR. Walking the tight rope with these girls that NEED saving CAN cause bad oneitis, you may want to get out early while you can -- unless you're willing to put up with cheating, lying, and jealousy. Guy friends orbit around to strike at her once they spot your relationship is weak. You can make it work, but the drama is NOT worth it IMO though. She can suck you into her world long after your gone. I still to this day receive SMS/emails/calls from my ex-gf and I have a strict policy of no contact, but she's relentless in pursuing my attention after I walked away smooth six months ago.
So true, my friend. Very well put.
 

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Enjin 7 said:
I can say yes: she is an attention *****. many of our conversations consist of her saying that something is wrong with her and that she needs my help... when there is for real nothing wrong with her.
That could be a personality disorder. I forgot what it's called, but it's common in younger people. Basically, it's what you described. Feeling like something is wrong with you when nothing is really there. Commonly showing characteristics of other personality disorders such as paranoia, depression/stress, obsessive-compulsive and histrionic.

she has a lot of guy friends. and she makes an effort to make new guy friends. guys are mostly all attracted to her, because... well...she's hott. she says that she has always got along better with guys, tho.
I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. A lot of women are like this (if not the majority). Of course, men worry about it because it would be almost too easy for her to cheat on you. She's hot and (like you said) most of these guys are only friends with her because they want her. If she wanted to cheat on you, all she'd have to do is snap her finger and tell fido to f*ck her. The problem with all of these men is that they are all in the friendzone. most of us know that once you're in the friendzone it's almost impossible to get out of.

She seeks men for both relationships and friendship. You have the relationship part covered for her. Congradulations. The only hard part about all of her friends being guys is that it's almost impossible to gain exceptance from all of her friends considering they all want what you got.
 

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Enjin 7 said:
my girlfriend admits that she is completely into me and would never cheat on me, (and then gave me all of these reasons why I am her ideal guy)... but I mean fuuuuuuuuck...

she has a lot of guy friends. and she makes an effort to make new guy friends. guys are mostly all attracted to her, because... well...she's hott. she says that she has always got along better with guys, tho.

so how should I react to this? its annoying to have her "hanging out" with guy friends. As we all know, guys dont like hott girls as just friends, so I know while she is "hanging out" they are trying to "hit that ****" lol.

I dont want to be the jealous bf type and be like NO YOU CANT HANG OUT WITH THEM... but seriously... you know what I mean.
She is an attention w-hore. She won't EVER be much use to you for anything more then a fling.
 

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xblitz44x said:
I'm friends with a 'hot girl' and I enjoy hanging out and talking to her. But that's besides the point.

Just because your girlfriend is hot, doesn't mean she's going to cheat on you. She is still equipped with the ability to say "no" to any man who makes advances towards her. If you don't think she'll take advantage of that ability then breaking up with her is a better option than telling her who she can and can't hang out with.
This is so very true. This issue has almost been done to death. I'm so perplexed as to why anyone would want to continue in a relationship in which they feel is going to go to the realms of having their heart ripped apart because the girl is gonna cheat with all her supposed guy friends.

If the idea that she's gonna stray is firmly planted in your mind, then you might as well end the misery. If you want to slavage things by controlling her, then you better think twice as to what this action says about yourself. You may think it'll lead you to success, but it seems only so because it's the easiest and most obvious way to 'solve' the problem. Force her to cut contact with other guys and she'll definitely not cheat on you. I doubt anyone would actually believe this.

Enjin7, think about it for a while. Understand if what you plan on doing will actually lead you where you want to go or actually lead you further away from your goal. I know it is confusing because you feel you need to do something before it's too late. But seriously dude, this issue is beyond your control. What you can ensure though is that you are being the best boyfriend you can be to her, thus eliminating any regrets you might get because you went and did something stupid.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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resilient said:
Some more red flags to watch out for:

- Stays "buddies" w/all ex's
- Has none, or only 1 female friend
- Flirts/kinos guys infront of you
- Afraid of commitment
- Personality disorder of any kind
- Low self esteem
- Jealous of other girls
- Competes for attention infront of girls
- Narcism
- Parents divorced many times
- Does she resent her father in any way?
- Look what her mother looks+acts like
- Judge by actions here, not words

My experience with an AW:
Ex/gf oneitis had ALL these symptoms and let me down EASY... to "find herself" and "be single" while she was hooking up with guys as soon as she ended our LDR. Walking the tight rope with these girls that NEED saving CAN cause bad oneitis, you may want to get out early while you can -- unless you're willing to put up with cheating, lying, and jealousy. Guy friends orbit around to strike at her once they spot your relationship is weak. You can make it work, but the drama is NOT worth it IMO though. She can suck you into her world long after your gone. I still to this day receive SMS/emails/calls from my ex-gf and I have a strict policy of no contact, but she's relentless in pursuing my attention after I walked away smooth six months ago.
Pretty much spot on. My Ex was basically much the same.
 

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Sounds like you are involved with a borderline/histrionic/narcissistic personality disordered girl.

They are bad news and will f*** with your head and your heart.

The only way to deal with them is to f*** them without getting emotionally involved.

Treat her well, not too well and just use her as a sex toy without worrying about her cheating on you because she will if she has one of these personality disorders no matter what she says.

So if I were you I'd just keep f***ing her but of course using protection and in the meantime looking for a girl I could have a real relationship with so that the personality disordered defective girl could be completely and totally replaced.
 
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