You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
You mean the ones about she wanting to fvck her ex? Because deep down, that's what she really wants.-Heaven Or Hell- said:I just hope that we're not also just only looking at it from my perspective.. because what about her feelings too?
That's a good point. Girls don't like that, but WOMEN do, because they are mature enough to comprehend the meaning of a relationship being a team, working together, listening to each other and being considerate to one another.. I've dealt with lots of girls in the past, and the woman I am with now is very far from having an immature mindset.. thankfully.Chromeo said:girls dont like you to sit them down for a serious discussion dude. But they love to sit their aloof boyfriends down for them.
girls like to construct the drama, not deal with yours.
She doesn't wanna sleep with her ex, she's a very conservative type of woman with her head on straight, it would be totally out of character for her to have that type of mindset, I dont think you know enough about her to jump to that conclusion.You mean the ones about she wanting to fvck her ex? Because deep down, that's what she really wants.
I'm not going to tell you what to do as it's clearly obvious that you're blind to reason due to the oneitis that you have for this girl. However, let me leave you with a question: If she does end up being "the one," will this situation be in the back of your mind whenever she's out of your sight?
Know this. There very few "innocent" women. They all have an agenda and reasons why they do the things they do. Many times they don't even know why, and are unable to explain it to themselves let alone others. Be careful brother. Keep us posted as to what happens. I'll be interested to see how this turns out.-Heaven Or Hell- said:This is exactly how I feel about the situation, and hopefully by the end of the weekend she will also see things from this perspective.
I just hope that we're not also just only looking at it from my perspective.. because what about her feelings too? I mean fact remains she still likes the person he is and likes talking to him (innocent mindset), and if that is the case I also feel bad by influencing her / making her feel bad if she doesn't cut things off with him. Maybe I should just forget about this and hopefully in time he will find someone else and they will drift naturally? God I'm so confused right now. :crazy:
After 5 months the only thing you have seen is her "representative". Everything that you are seeing is her making her best effort to hide her flaws. You will generally see the real and total package after about 2 years; good and bad. That's why her already exhibiting in red flags should have you looking for back up plans.-Heaven Or Hell- said:I know myself pretty well and what I look for in a woman, and trust me, even though I have only known her for under a year (and dated her for just over 5 months now) I know that she has all the aspects of a woman / potential wife / potential mother, that I look for. I know everything about her, and I havn't found out much faults in her, there are always going to be the small faults, with every woman, but her faults are ones I can live and deal with.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Thank you for taking the time to reply:DJjazzyJeff said:After 5 months the only thing you have seen is her "representative". Everything that you are seeing is her making her best effort to hide her flaws. You will generally see the real and total package after about 2 years; good and bad. That's why her already exhibiting in red flags should have you looking for back up plans.
That being said, I have been in your situation before and will give you advice that doesn't include move on or forget about her, because you are at a point where you aren't willing to do that. Everything women do is dependent on their emotional attachment to you. Based on what you say I would say that your g/f has an interest you, but she is definitely not head over heels for you. At least that's what I hope. This may sound counterintuitive, but the less interest a woman has while in a LTR the more leeway you can give her. If a woman has low interest level, she can't be expected to be loyal, honest, or any other quality we should look for in a long term relationship. On the other hand if she has high interest level and is exhibiting negative behavior then you know that you have a girl that you will never be able to trust or have a fulfilling relationship with regardless of circumstances.
So what can you do? I am not sure how you told her it bothers you, but I would tell her verbatim "I think it's disrespectful that you are talking to a previous love interest and I know you would feel the same if the tables were turned." I would leave it at that and not go into any further conversation about it. After that, you need to make an effort to raise her emotional connection to you by taking her on action dates, exhibiting confidence, being fun, and minimizing any negative interactions you have with her. Ignore her talking to the other guy and gauge how she responds to you and the new connection you're building. In a couple of weeks if this girl is worth anything she will say "hey, I quit talking to x". If not then you know regardless of how this girl feels about you emotionally she has a bad personality/character for an LTR. Another warning, if she does this, expect her to talk to this guy or other guys anytime her level is waning. Basically, to make it work you will have to keep her head over heels in love with you for as long as you are together. It's exhausting, but can be done.
I've done this with 2 girls before and this is exactly how it worked. Full disclosure: both of those relationships ended anyway due to character flaws. Good luck!
Game. Set. Match.-Heaven Or Hell- said:She doesn't wanna sleep with her ex, she's a very conservative type of woman with her head on straight, it would be totally out of character for her to have that type of mindset, I dont think you know enough about her to jump to that conclusion.
-Heaven Or Hell- said:I trust her 100%
Which one is it?-Heaven Or Hell- said:It just doesn't feel right.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Clearly you havn't read all my posts through if this is the perception you have of mejonwon said:H&H you make for too many excuses for your 5 month relationship with a woman.
You my friend are going to get a baptism in fire!
I have no idea why anyone will want to give you advice, its clear you dont want it and think you dont need it. The actual REAL advice you receive you come out with Ad-Homen attacks.
That shi*ts nots cool, people here take time out to reply to you, they are trying to help you, not destroy you and you reply to them like they have issues?
Your a train wreck, enjoy the ride.
Your intimancy posturing is fuc*ing laughtable, seriously, no offence, but I suggest you save what you wrote and come back to it, in 6months and give yourself a bitc*-slap.
Man your really gone, your in a zone that no one can penetrate, I feel sorry for you actually, I know whats coming eventually. And all you can do is posture and write like your trying for the next mills and boons novel. Seriously your girl isn't writing about connections and shi* like you are, she is out with her EX -
You've known this girl 5 months, you dont even know this woman yet - That shi* takes years.
You dont trust this chick otherwise you wouldn't take the time to mind fuc* yourself on this forum - there is a reason you dont trust her, but - Whats the point, your the guy who needs to learn the hard way.
You actually want some advice.Heaven or Hell said:Clearly you havn't read all my posts through if this is the perception you have of meAnd trust me, I have taken everything that has been said here to heart, but what do you expect me to do? Dump her now? hahaha... bro, don't jump to conclusions and don't put words into my mouth.
I guess time will reveal all... so lets just wait and see how things unfold...
1) I have known this chick (and observed her from a distance) for over 3 years.jonwon said:You actually want some advice.
Here you go:
Back off from this chick and observe from a distance, your far too emotionally invested in this woman and she isn't concurent with a girl your fantazing about.
But you wont, I know how this will play out.
What we have is you in a ring, in the middle, in one corner is SS, in the other corner your GF - You'll take your GF everytime, because you have developed a serious unhealthy projection of her and your belief system is only adding to your problems.
SS wont even be a factor, if anything you laugh at the pathetic advice you had whilst you live in blissful ignorance of your GF exploits, ignore her meeting or in contact with the EX - Excuse her behaviour, romantacise about the most mundane shi*, picuture her in the best light possible - Until BAM - she actually shows you her true colors in such a way you cant make excuses for her anymore - What that will be depends on your tolerance and your infactuation with this 5 month old relationship.
The point is rather simple your interest in this chick is through the roof, hers on the other hand, not so -
i.e your more invested in this so called relationship then she is, your more interested than she is -
Your type is a dime a dozen, your story played out many times.
I know what will happen, like I know what I am having for lunch. Its not a mystery.
Back off from this chick, stop thinking of marriage and children and all that other cra*, you've known her 5 months, even if she was the best chick on the planet 5 months is far too soon for the type of projection you have for a this woman - a serious unhealthy belief system - The chick is faulty but in fairness your painful to read.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.