"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Girl Touching And Touching And Touching

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Ok, so I've been single again now for a few months and I've been going out hooking up with random bar hos and having a good time for the most part. I just started a new job and there is this banging little hottie that works there. I'd say she's almost an HB8 give or take. I'm not trying to pursue her or anything because her bf also works there and he's a cool @ss mo-fo. Anyhow, I noticed that she gives me a lot of "mental kino" as GodsGift put it and always touches me A LOT!! I only see her about once or twice a week and she's always staring at me, squeezing my arm, slapping my back, brushing up against me etc. She's also sarcastic as shiat and is always trying to bust my ballz, but I throw that shiat right back in her face. I've touched her @ss (rather I've bummed into it with my hand....LOL) and said "oops" and her response was "Oh I don't care." LOL Now she's started hugging me when I get to work.

My only question is how much does kino initiated by the girl actually reveal about her thoughts on the guy? I've always been a strong advocate of kino, but when the girl initiates it, that usually gives me the green light to go in for the kill. And I've noticed that she only touches me, she doesn't really flirt with anyone else etc. Her bf will come up and hug her from behind and such, and she hangs with him a bit, but not as touchy as she is with me.

So whats your guys take on kino initiated by the girl? Obiviously I dig the attention as well, but I'm a little guarded in this situation due to her bf.



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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I don't think she intended those "kino" to be romantic towards you, certainly she was trying to be friendly but I wouldn't think she was trying to be romantic.
 

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In all of my experience I've come across a few girls that do that kind of stuff and they don't mean a thing by it...that's just the way they are and since she has a boyfriend I would take into consideration that she probably doesn't mean anything by what she's doing...but then again...you say that she's only doing this with YOU.

It's a tough one...

But to your question...do you think guys are the only ones that can/should initiate kino? Girls do it too...some don't...
 

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as long as she's not the type of girls who's touchy with everyone then pursue it further
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Ok, two HUGE SIGNS of interest:

1)She keeps touching you.

2)She busts your ballz.

Either she wants attention and is tryin' to see if she can still pull guys, or she wants you; either way she's doing it on purpose.

I would turn it back on her and bust her balls, and accuse her or being a pervert, in a teasing way, but also in a way that shows that you know what's she's up to.

Accuse her of tryin' to fondle you, etc. Tell her she will need to have much better game than what she's showin, etc.
 

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Your fu*cking this girl and your wondering why shes ginvg you kino. Am in the only one that sees somethign stupid here?.
 

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Originally posted by Black_Italian
Your fu*cking this girl and your wondering why shes ginvg you kino. Am in the only one that sees somethign stupid here?.
lmao! he's not f*cking her, idiot, he said that she has a bf.
 

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I just started a new job and there is this banging little hottie that works there. I'd say she's almost an HB8 give or take.
I was skim reading and i thought he said i just started a new job and im banging this little hottie there. I should realy start reading over thing properly. My bad
 

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LMAO Black Italian!! Yeah bro, I slid it her @ss last night but I'm not sure if she likes me?? Should I call her and buy her some flowers?? LOL

Juggalo: If I could generalize I'd say guys initiate kino a lot more than girls do, at least the guys that know what they're doing..LOL There have been a few girls in the past that have been very forward with me and I ended up fuvkin' them or coming close to with all of them.

DonJuanMonk: Yeah I somewhat agree with you in the sense that I don't think she's intending it to be romantic, but I definitely think she's attracted to me. I can't understand why she'd only really do this with me then, and not anyone else. Plenty of other guys talk to her at work, but they always initiate it and she never hugs them, grabs them etc.

Gangster: LOL, yeah bro I'm already doing all that shiat. I agree with you that her constant touching and ball busting were two signs of interest. Although I'm thinking its more physical attraction and fun, then anything else at this point. My game is definitely a little rusty because I just got outta of a LTR a few months ago, but I definitely take time to bust her ballz. We are both waiters in a popular resturant, just to let you know. The other day one of the busser's was doing all the work for her table. So I walked up behind her, and said, "Why don't you let Victor (the busser) wipe your @ss the next time you go to the bathroom." She got pissed for a second, then tried to bust my ballz more.

I know how the game works and what to do, but I'm definitely rusty and not in tip top form since I recently got out of a LTR. I guess I'll up the game a bit and just have fun with it. If she does break up with her man, I'll try to hit that shiat on the D.L. She also go-go dance's @ a really popular night club every once in a while, so you know she's a little attention luver...LOL



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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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It just means she is "comforatable" with you.

I'd RUN. if her b/f is works there, you can expect some drama (one way or the other i'll come)
 

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for a second i thought i had typed this. lol a girl i work with at the moment is doing the same exact thing, i'm at the mall at a sprint store doing some outside sales. so i'm there often but not as often as she, since i'm only there 3 times a week.

but when i am there, let me tell you, its like i can't get her off of me, she's always busting on me i bust on her right back, she doesn't have a b/f (she told me) without me askin, and she's always wanting me to buy her icecream or go shopping with her on my break or when i get off. and she is sarcastic as hell.

almost everytime she's askin me you think i would look good in this and this, what about that? what color do you think i look good in? you like my hair today? blah blah then after the barrage of questions like that its touch, touch, touch. Then she'll throw comments out like.. damn i have a nice ass you think so? i know you do i see you lookin at it.

we've hung out twice. but i dunno i think back to any time i've done the same to a girl and i liked the girl i was messing with espeiclly when i busted on her but it could be totally different for a girl. I mean shyt WHAT GIRL would be this aggressive?
 

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Originally posted by spider_007
It just means she is "comforatable" with you.

I'd RUN. if her b/f is works there, you can expect some drama (one way or the other i'll come)

And this is why you still struggle with chicks bro. You curl your tail between your legs and walk away when there's nothing to walk away from. I totally respect her bf, not planning on pursuing anything out of this (at this point). Now if she comes on to me, that's a different story.


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well abut the chick , i have many female friends with bfs that hug me or play around with me... Ive even grabbed this one chicks boobs sometimes, played with theyr bras and stuff like that... They grab my ass sometimes and stuff like that and give me kisses on the cheek... doesnt mean that they want to cheat on theyr bf and **** me , but i respect theyr bfs and they all know that i wouldnt take theyr girls unless they broke it off....
Some chicks are just playful , and some of these chikcs only do stuff with me, hugs,kisses,groping, were just fooling around nothing seriuos... dont expect that every girl that gives u hugs and stuff like that wants u ....

And ask urself do you respect the guy shes dating before u want to make a move on her, cuz its gonna get really uncomfertable there after u do make a move , and she denies or accepts...
my advice just be friends adn move on....
 

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Originally posted by christz
for a second i thought i had typed this. lol a girl i work with at the moment is doing the same exact thing, i'm at the mall at a sprint store doing some outside sales. so i'm there often but not as often as she, since i'm only there 3 times a week.

but when i am there, let me tell you, its like i can't get her off of me, she's always busting on me i bust on her right back, she doesn't have a b/f (she told me) without me askin, and she's always wanting me to buy her icecream or go shopping with her on my break or when i get off. and she is sarcastic as hell.

almost everytime she's askin me you think i would look good in this and this, what about that? what color do you think i look good in? you like my hair today? blah blah then after the barrage of questions like that its touch, touch, touch. Then she'll throw comments out like.. damn i have a nice ass you think so? i know you do i see you lookin at it.

we've hung out twice. but i dunno i think back to any time i've done the same to a girl and i liked the girl i was messing with espeiclly when i busted on her but it could be totally different for a girl. I mean shyt WHAT GIRL would be this aggressive?

Christz:

Your chick obiviously wants to bang the fuvk outta you, unless she's just an attention luving ****!! LOL Yeah bro, what you said goes for me too. I'm a huge flirt, in fact I flirt with a lot of girls @ work, some are definitely not hot, but I do it just to practice and have fun. However, I don't CONSTANTLY touch them or bust their ballz at every opportunity I get. That's what made me ask the question in the first place. Its nearly 95% of the time she walks by me she's got something to say (sarcastically) or some body part of mine to touch...LOL

One thing that is different in this situation is she's in her mid twenties. Most girls I deal with are young!! 19-21. These girls are usually a bit more reserved in their forwardness, unless they are smashed at @ party.



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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Originally posted by Morphiex
well abut the chick , i have many female friends with bfs that hug me or play around with me... Ive even grabbed this one chicks boobs sometimes, played with theyr bras and stuff like that... They grab my ass sometimes and stuff like that and give me kisses on the cheek... doesnt mean that they want to cheat on theyr bf and **** me , but i respect theyr bfs and they all know that i wouldnt take theyr girls unless they broke it off....
Some chicks are just playful , and some of these chikcs only do stuff with me, hugs,kisses,groping, were just fooling around nothing seriuos... dont expect that every girl that gives u hugs and stuff like that wants u ....

And ask urself do you respect the guy shes dating before u want to make a move on her, cuz its gonna get really uncomfertable there after u do make a move , and she denies or accepts...
my advice just be friends adn move on....

Morphiex:

Don't know if you read my post all the way through, but I'm not planning on doing shiat!!! I completely respect her bf, I have no trouble getting girls and all girls who cheat on their bf's are totally worthless little slvt bags. I was just trying to get a better read @ why she constantly touches, touches and touches. I know what its like when a girl who has a bf flirts with you. Yes they touch, flirt etc, its friendly. This is somewhat friendly, with a touch of aggressivenes behind it. Plus she always stares at me, I've caught her staring at least half a dozen times in the last 4 or 5 shifts.


Whatever, like I said I'm not pursuing anything, just trying to get a better read and see how other DJ's have handled these situations and what happened in them



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Originally posted by Pimp-sicle
Christz:

Your chick obiviously wants to bang the fuvk outta you, unless she's just an attention luving ****!! LOL Yeah bro, what you said goes for me too. I'm a huge flirt, in fact I flirt with a lot of girls @ work, some are definitely not hot, but I do it just to practice and have fun. However, I don't CONSTANTLY touch them or bust their ballz at every opportunity I get. That's what made me ask the question in the first place. Its nearly 95% of the time she walks by me she's got something to say (sarcastically) or some body part of mine to touch...LOL

One thing that is different in this situation is she's in her mid twenties. Most girls I deal with are young!! 19-21. These girls are usually a bit more reserved in their forwardness, unless they are smashed at @ party.



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haha funny thing is this girl is 19, i'm 23 by the way, and its the same with this chick, anytime i'm doing something or filling out paper work to bring back to the office at the end of the day, she's always spouting off dumb shyt. Like why are you such a bytch, i'm like the only bytch here is your dumb@$$ self.

then one time she was like i'd have you licking me up, given the chance. then she was like i'm just messin.

another weird note, is the third time i chilled with her i was with her best friend we went to the bar (she has a REAL, FAKE ID, somebody elses ID but she looks like the girl on it) and we were drinkin, and she stepped out and i said something to her best friend and she's like why do you like her? i'm like nah i mean were just co workers but i love workin around the girl, she's a lot of fun and she just had this ear to ear smile. I'm like what?

apparently this girl i work with, talks about me constantly to her friend and how she thinks i'm a cool a$$ dude. Who knows man..
 

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Originally posted by Pimp-sicle
And this is why you still struggle with chicks bro. You curl your tail between your legs and walk away when there's nothing to walk away from. I totally respect her bf, not planning on pursuing anything out of this (at this point). Now if she comes on to me, that's a different story PIMP
I may not be a "PIMP" but i'd like to think I know how to keep my legs from getting broken and my head from getting smashed in. do what you want, but don't be running back here once the drama starts.
 

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Originally posted by spider_007
I may not be a "PIMP" but i'd like to think I know how to keep my legs from getting broken and my head from getting smashed in. do what you want, but don't be running back here once the drama starts.
Trying to reason with you is like Peter Parker tryng to shoot spider webs outta his wrist without changing into the Spiderman suit. Probably not going to get too far. Anyhow bro, I wasn't intending to hate on you by saying "that's why you still struggle with chicks." I was trying to show you the difference in mindset between a confident man and a unsure man. I'm sure you have plenty of potential, but your mind needs to follow suit. No disrespect, I appreciate your advice, but like I said I'm not going to even try to pursue anything with her because of her bf.



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