"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Was talking to this HB9 online. She's bulgarian, but been in the west for almost 6 years. Would reply *instantly* to my messages online, and seemed interested in me. We traded about 5 messages each, and i was going to ask for her #.

My last email to her was a one line reply to her question about where I was born and a quick question "what did you do with your holiday today?". I am east indian, and agree that it is not the most popular race to date online (i think someone posted OKC stats here sometime ago). it's been almost a day, she ignored my email and i see her online etc.

I know people here recommend not calling women out, but is there a way to call her out on this - something like "does where I am from change things?" or something sarcastic?

PS: I REALLY didn't want to bring up the race card, but it happens to me online a lot - and no, I do not want sympathy or to start a race-related thread - im merely asking for advice on letting her know that she has a stupid mentality.

thank you.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I'm sorry about you, but race does matter in the dating game. I recommend you not go any further in this topic because you're going to get a lot of one sided opinions and this topic is going to turn to **** fast. It's understandable because most of the members on this site are white males and aren't subjected to as much discrimination as you are, so their views are going to be completely different. There are plenty of other women out there, so don't cry on it. If you want more info please pm me because I'm a minority like you and we have a similar gaming field.
 

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I am not surprised. I even get rejected because I have an accent even though I am white. I would not bother with her though, but you can just make fun of her stupidity.
 

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PapiChulo said:
I am not surprised. I even get rejected because I have an accent even though I am white. I would not bother with her though, but you can just make fun of her stupidity.
papichulo - thanks for the encouragement. Any examples how/what to say? Don't want to make a fool of myself.

Ringleader41- thank for the offer. I can't PM you since I don't have enough posts/privileges? Maybe i'll try emailing you?

EDIT: Again, sosuavers, I'd like to reiterate that Im NOT looking to turn this into a race-related thread. We are who we are. Sure i'd like to be taller, better looking yada yada, but don't care about my race that much. Just need the appropriate response for her. Yes, it happens a lot to me online & in clubs, so maybe it's an act of frustration from my part..
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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oneboy21 said:
racist *****!
Don't deal with trash, move on
thanks, oneboy.

Can't fvcking believe it!!! ANother b*tch on the website just emails me, and I quote "hey there, are you persian by any chance?" LOL 2 in one night!
 

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Nah, nvm because I don't keep up with my email. Besides, you're already doing the right thing anyway. Just remember you have to try 10 times harder than the average joe white guy.
 

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m0101 said:
papichulo - thanks for the encouragement. Any examples how/what to say? Don't want to make a fool of myself.

Ringleader41- thank for the offer. I can't PM you since I don't have enough posts/privileges? Maybe i'll try emailing you?

EDIT: Again, sosuavers, I'd like to reiterate that Im NOT looking to turn this into a race-related thread. We are who we are. Sure i'd like to be taller, better looking yada yada, but don't care about my race that much. Just need the appropriate response for her. Yes, it happens a lot to me online & in clubs, so maybe it's an act of frustration from my part..
Yes it is an act of frustration.

You're talking about a woman who is not interested in you. So any response you give her serves absolutely no purpose.

What are you going to do? Insult her? Inform her? Educate her? She's a stranger. She doesn't care what you say. And she shouldn't matter to you either.
 

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Why are you messaging her online so much? Just get her phone number and meet her in person.
 

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There is nothing under the sun wrong with people having preferences when it comes to race. It is a fact of life. Most people are attracted to certain races only or perhaps even their own race only. This is a matter of attraction and personal preference and to call someone out on that is ridiculous.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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I am an East Indian guy and usually have no problems finding plenty of looks and initial interests and dates after years of DJ training even though my eye contact can often be poor because of cultural issues growing up in India. My general problem is AFC behavior later on when i am close to getting into a relationship or in one. I've also over corrected and had girls dump me saying I have no time for a relationship. I've given up on online and the clubs. These are tough spots in general and much worse for you if you are not white. Join a social club, hobby etc. that you are interested in. I know plenty of Indian guys(quite a few with an accent) married to gorgeous white girls that guys of any ethnicity would give their left nut for but they generally tend to be natural DJs. . Persistent but not craving. I'm working on naturally becoming that. Infact among all my friends wives the top 2-3 women I would pick for an LTR are all married to Indian guys. Beautiful, intelligent, independent but also reasonably domestic. For many women to want to be in a relationship you have to develop a strong 'connection' with them so they want to be around you all the time. If you want a relationship much more likely for that to happen in a setting where you setup that connection with multiple women by being friends(not just hanging out friends but you need a strong common passion or life goal) and then turning it physical. If you want to regularly date women then you need to increase your social proof. Get a motorcycle, hit the gym, find a way to get invited to lots of parties, be really good at something etc. A motorcycle is a sure fire way to get dates. 'ever ridden a motorcycle?' is all you have to say. Unfortunately in Seattle we are limited to 3 months of summer.
 

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Atom Smasher said:
There is nothing under the sun wrong with people having preferences when it comes to race. It is a fact of life. Most people are attracted to certain races only or perhaps even their own race only. This is a matter of attraction and personal preference and to call someone out on that is ridiculous.
Exactly.
 

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Atom Smasher said:
There is nothing under the sun wrong with people having preferences when it comes to race. It is a fact of life. Most people are attracted to certain races only or perhaps even their own race only. This is a matter of attraction and personal preference and to call someone out on that is ridiculous.
Nothing wrong at all but it does mean that the OP has to try different tactics to be successful.
m101 - don't waste your time on calling people out etc. In fact I mostly date outside my race and don't give a flying **** if someone called me out on it. Its the same as a girl ruling you out for height.
 

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I don't like black girls... Nothing to do with racism, you can't choose what you're attracted to. You have a huge disadvantage by being Indian but never mind.
 
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Nah, nvm because I don't keep up with my email. Besides, you're already doing the right thing anyway. Just remember you have to try 10 times harder than the average joe white guy.
Absolute nonsense.

You non-white folk make out that white men have it easier, that might be the case for some white men, but it's not the case for all white men, including myself.

OP, I have been rejected for being white before, by different girls from different racial backgrounds including a woman from my own racial group. So one Bulgarian girl doesn't want to date you because you're Indian, so what? She's evidently missing out on a decent fella, but that's her loss. At the end of the day, she has a right to have preferences, she has a right to date who she wants and if she doesn't want to date you because you're Indian, then as much as that shows ignorance on her part, that is ultimately her prerogative.

You can call her out on it, but you'll come across as someone with a few bolts missing up top. I'd just move on and go after someone else, there are plenty of women out there who like Indian men, so don't get downhearted by one or two rejections. Keep plugging away and eventually something will give.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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With my experience with you people im not going to even argue back. I already know what the end will look like.
 

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Atom Smasher said:
There is nothing under the sun wrong with people having preferences when it comes to race. It is a fact of life. Most people are attracted to certain races only or perhaps even their own race only. This is a matter of attraction and personal preference and to call someone out on that is ridiculous.
Winner
 

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I'm white but have an accent. Its kind of annoying how girls are very attracted to me and all but suddenly as I speak I can tell not many enjoy it.

Lets face it... MOST women are idiots when it comes to details. They'll just reject you because of some small insignificant detail even tho you are a perfect match. They aren't able to get the overall image because their perspectives of the "ideal" guy are DELUSIONAL!! Blame feminists ideals for the most.

The best I can tell you is to ignore that fact and just enjoy and focus on yourself. Who cares what she thinks? If you show to them how great and attractive you are they'll be able appreciate you and put the race factor to the side.

I can kind of relate to this but you cant blame them after all... they are free to have their choices.

Remember... Physical Disorders (race, short, voice pitch, long nose, etc) have less effect than Life Disorders (fat, tattoo, AFC, etc)
 

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Atom Smasher said:
There is nothing under the sun wrong with people having preferences when it comes to race.
thats exactly the same thing they tell you after an unsuccessful job interview.

There is a duality at play, and it is something a lot more convenient to just hide behind the preferences, telling half of the story. It should sound more like this: 'I do (don't) prefer _______ race, because_______ , _______ , _________ .'
 

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Everybody has there own preferences...it's not because they're actually racist and think you're inferior in any way...it's just some people are programmed to be attracted to a certain type. I'm white, I like white girls exclusively. But I don't think less of any other race
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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