"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Girl Stayed the Night, but...

Drowning

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Alright, I met this chick in one of my classes this quarter and just recently got to really talking to her. (I was hooking up with two other chicks up to this point, but I got bored with them.) We chatted, I got her number, and invited her to tag along to go see a movie the college is showing.

I put my arm around her during the movie, crack a few jokes about it, but it's really crowded and not a good atmosphere for anything else. Afterwards, we're walking back with my arm around her and I get her to come back to my room. We talk, flirt, and when I go in for the kiss she tells me she has a BOYFRIEND.

I ask her if she's happy, and she can't give me a straight answer. (In other words, no.) But I settle down for the moment. Eventually, we make it to pretty much spooning on my bed to watch a late night talk show with me keeping up good kino and flirting with her.

Eventually, she takes a "nap" which is basically her in to stay the night without flat out asking me. (I did make sure she wanted to stay before I turned the lights out.) I let her borrow a pair of boxers and a tee-shirt and she gets comfortable and has no problem cuddling and **** with me but when I try to kiss her she blocks me AGAIN. Now, I'm usually pretty good at taking down the shields, but this girl is just not having it. Eventually I get frustrated and turn over.

She asks me what's wrong and I just look at her like she's stupid. I mean, look at where she is! She tries to block me in by saying that I'd be mad if my girlfriend hooked up with some guy like this, but I responded by saying that if she really cared about what her boyfriend thought she wouldn't be in my bed in the first place. She says, "Do you think I don't want to? I do, but it's wrong...blah blah blah."

I try to go to sleep, but she's awake now and keeps me up half the night talking about random **** and flirting with me and girl-punching me when I tease her and even rolling on top of me several times. I'm fed up with her ****, so I go to sleep.

Next day I go to a party and don't call or anything. She sends me a text message telling me she had fun last night "Nighty night!" I don't answer it.

We've talked once since then, mostly rapport building, and when her boyfriend called she ignored it. (****er called like fifteen times.) Now, I'm thinking she's just trying to get comfortable with me or making sure I'm not just in it to get some ass or whatever, but at the same time I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that it's not worth it.

What the hell is up with this chick? Does she want me or is she just trying to lead me along?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Originally posted by Drowning
She says, "Do you think I don't want to? I do, but it's wrong...blah blah blah."
She just wants you to know it's not gonna be her fault when she'll finally give in. If she really cared about her bf and her relation with him, she wouldn't have slept in your bed in the first place.

Typical woman non-sense.

-Bill
 

sapphire

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I have dealt with this before.

Either she sees you as a friend and tampon or is on the fence with regard to her BF and feels guilty in taking things further.

I say, cut her off completely. No calls, e-mails, etc. It is called Ganji where you simply cut off all contact with a girl when she starts acting flakey and what not with the purpose of making her crawl back to you giving you power in a relationship.

If she tries to contact you again which I am pretty confident she will, let her know that you will not put up with her nonsense in the future otherwise it is hasta la vista baby.
 

ER!C L!VE

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yeps.

Unless she utters the word, 'NO', you keep try to get her nekid. Dude, especially when she's in your bed.

Seems like you coulda nailed her when she was rolling on top of you later in the night.

Did you try again?

EDIT: Yes, she's into you and not her 'boyfriend'. Chicks are so flighty at younger ages. You've got the green light, but you don't seem that interested in her...
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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You had your chance and you blew it.

Seriously if she really cared about this guy she wouldn’t be in your bed.

You should have just ignored her words and went with her actions.

She was In your bed rolling on top of you’ll playfully fighting you.

She says she doesn’t want it but that’ s just to let you think she’s not some cheating *****.

And you bought it, which really you shouldn’t of.

And I hope you’re just in it for the sex and not an LTR cause she’s definitely not a keeper.
 

The Bad Ass Canadian

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And I hope you’re just in it for the sex and not an LTR cause she’s definitely not a keeper.
:yes:


She was simply putting up some last minute resistance. You shoulda kept trying, and I figure she would have eventually given in.

The fact that she's been trying to talk to you since then shows that you didn't completely blow it... but that you gotta make another move next time and if she withdraws, cut her off completely and let her know that you won't put up with that sh!t.
 

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If I made it sound like I only tried to get into her pants once during the time she was in my room, I apologize. I tried at least three or four times. I probably should have pushed it a bit more, though.

As for cutting her off, I'm kind of having it done for me since it's Thanksgiving/Christmas vacation coming up. I just won't call her while I'm at home and see how things go when we get back to college.
 

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Originally posted by Drowning
If I made it sound like I only tried to get into her pants once during the time she was in my room, I apologize. I tried at least three or four times. I probably should have pushed it a bit more, though....

:eek:

OH MY GOD…….

I can’t believe you apologize for even one time.

:down:

You should have NEVER apologized. :down:

When a woman is up on a bed SPOONING with you or just in a bed period with you,
You SHOULD try to make a move on her whether your goal depending on morals to make out or get into her pants.

You should NEVER apologize for being a man.

My god, don’t be gay.

Take hold of what you want.
 

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...What? Dude, read my last post again.

I never apologize for what I want.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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