"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Girl rejects my kiss yet still keeps wanting to go out

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Ok, well theres this girl, we met at a party.

We went out couple times,

#1 coffee date

#2 drink with couple of friends

#3 coffee + walk in park + isolate

now, in date #3, I isolate her and I try to kiss close her. Now she wont kiss me, she said, "im not that kind of girl!"

the next day, she asks me out. I respond that im busy, i truly was. day after that, she asks me out again.

wtf... why would she reject my kiss close yet still wanting to go out?

any ideas? now this is a HB6, I would consider myself 8.5 at the very least.

This is actually the first time i can remember i failed a kiss close. I mean all the signs were there. We were like hugging already, we were alone.

Should i just move on and NEXT?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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TillTheEndOfTime

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-.- said:
Ok, well theres this girl, we met at a party.

We went out couple times,

#1 coffee date

#2 drink with couple of friends

#3 coffee + walk in park + isolate

now, in date #3, I isolate her and I try to kiss close her. Now she wont kiss me, she said, "im not that kind of girl!"

the next day, she asks me out. I respond that im busy, i truly was. day after that, she asks me out again.

wtf... why would she reject my kiss close yet still wanting to go out?

any ideas? now this is a HB6, I would consider myself 8.5 at the very least.

This is actually the first time i can remember i failed a kiss close. I mean all the signs were there. We were like hugging already, we were alone.

Should i just move on and NEXT?
Your decision should be based on what you are looking for.

Are you looking just for a lay? Do you really like this girl? Do you want a real relationship with her?

If you just want a lay, move on. There are many more girls who will put out faster if that is all that you are looking for.

If you want a real relationship, I would not be so quick to next her. Her moving slowly is not necessarily a bad sign. It actually could be good because sometimes when a girl really likes a guy, she wants to keep him around longer and holds out. Doing so will weed out the guys looking for a quick lay from the guys who are relationship material.

A DJ like a good quarterback must read the situation and make the right call based on the factors that really matter.
 

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She probably feels you are going to fast into the relationship.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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She enjoys hanging out with you because you're a good friend.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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TillTheEndOfTime said:
Your decision should be based on what you are looking for.

Are you looking just for a lay? Do you really like this girl? Do you want a real relationship with her?

If you just want a lay, move on. There are many more girls who will put out faster if that is all that you are looking for.

If you want a real relationship, I would not be so quick to next her. Her moving slowly is not necessarily a bad sign. It actually could be good because sometimes when a girl really likes a guy, she wants to keep him around longer and holds out. Doing so will weed out the guys looking for a quick lay from the guys who are relationship material.

A DJ like a good quarterback must read the situation and make the right call based on the factors that really matter.
I agree.

However, with so many women out there, why do you care? There could be 235235235 other reasons for that, meet other girls and eventually you may kiss or lay her.
 

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Three dates, no kiss?

Um... "next"!

She obviously isn't into the physical side of things.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
She enjoys hanging out with you because you're a good friend.
This is right on! It's the only damn reply out of the lot of them that makes any sense. Listen to this.

This girl sees you as a friend and nothing else. I'd say find some more plates to spin and leave this one eating your dust.
 

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Yep, either she wants you only as a friend because you waited too long, etc., or she has religious or moral reasons and wants her kisses to be kept "special" and saved for serious relationships.
 

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TillTheEndOfTime: is right. Pursue if you want a relationship.
She really said: "Not now". You should've tried 5 minutes later again.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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He's stuck in a catch 22 situation here though. If he wants a relationship, he needs to find out whether she's highly religious or if she's just not into him yet. Because the more he hangs out with her without physical contact, the more she'll string him along because she knows she can. I think you should act indifferent and should have tried again (in case it's ASD) but send her a clear message with your actions that you won't hang out anymore if there is no kissing. Because you know what will happen in that case... (enter another guy) And definitely put her on the backburner for now.
 

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Is she from Asia? Those girls give you all kinds of Last Minute Resistance to kissing. I't like sex to them. Anal sex.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
She enjoys hanging out with you because you're a good friend.
stole the words right outta my mouth.
 

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YOU ARE LUCKY! she likes you, but she likes to take it slow, she is not a slut. would u rather have a girl grabbing at ur belt wanting to blow you after the first day. chances are she does that to every guy she meets. idk bout u, but i dont want no h0e.
 

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Well maybe its gonna be love of Your life. I kiss close only sluts. Girls that imma care about i kissloce at liek 5 date. Hard to tell. Anyways when girl asks me out, i usually feel shes not worth me. Especially when ni sex/kiss. Id **** htis ****.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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This happened to me...she and I went out for awhile and it looked like I was in for the long haul. I finally got a kiss on the 3rd "date" but I fell short many times before. It was fun it was like she made me work for every kiss,I loved it. It went on for 2 months or so then it came to an end when she wouldnt go any further then tongue....What a grandma. IF YOU REALLY LIKE HER HANG AROUND!
 

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blinkwatt said:
This happened to me...she and I went out for awhile and it looked like I was in for the long haul. I finally got a kiss on the 3rd "date" but I fell short many times before. It was fun it was like she made me work for every kiss,I loved it. It went on for 2 months or so then it came to an end when she wouldnt go any further then tongue....What a grandma. IF YOU REALLY LIKE HER HANG AROUND!
Hang around in hopes that she'll eventually tongue kiss you?
 

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You're an AFC and she can tell. She's not ready for your pathetic lips against hers yet. Simply put, she wants you to be her girlfriend.
 
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Yo Troops!


Women are like dogs. And men are TOO, by the way. lol

We ALL have to be trained.

If you feel this girl may be worth your time, go ahead and take it slow-----but make sure you still TAKE IT. Do not let the budding romance start to fade. Your job is to ALWAYS escalate. Whether it's inch by inch or MILE BY MILE. Always escalate, soldier!

Never let a babe go backwards. Don't start off grabbing her titts then GO BACK to just holding her hand. Never start off going on solo dates then let yourself be relegated to just hanging out with her and her friends. You get the idea...

Again, she has to be trained thru reward and punishment (so to speak). When she does something you approve of, treat her as well as you always treat her. When she does something EXCEPTIONALLY good to you, then REWARD her behavior with a little something extra.

And the opposite is true as well. Whenever she goes romantically lazy on you, flakes out, or withholds anything of value that you KNOW is in her power to give you------then withdraw from her. Take away your affection, hold back from her physically and emotionally. Become less available to her.

And if she's paying attention and actually CARES, she will realize that if SHE continues to do "A", then you will withdraw, and she will no longer receive the benefits of receiving "B" from YOU. And on and on it goes...until she learns the lesson and starts moving in the directions you want her to go.

But remember:

This is all done through your ACTIONS or lack of actions. It's not necessary to announce this verbally, because it will come across as an ultimatum. And that could easily turn into an all out power struggle---and no one really wants a babe to feel like she's being coerced into pleasing them. Well, no one but a RAPIST or a MYSOGANIST, that is...lol

No, what you want is for her to weigh her options herself, then decide that the benefits of pleasing YOU (whatever that means for you) is in HER best interest. That way, the decision to date, kiss, Fukk, ecetera will be HERS. And people are always more comfortable and enthusiatic about decisions THEY have made themselves, rather than those they feel they've been FORCED to make due to ultimatums.




March on!
 

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now, in date #3, I isolate her and I try to kiss close her. Now she wont kiss me, she said, "im not that kind of girl!"
Looks like the ol' muff muncher wants a friend!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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