"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Ok, arranged a date with this HB, a week before the date she texted me literally 24/7 - made real obvious IOIs, she texted "I love you, you are down to earth but still real fun" etc etc. - anyway the date came along, i came to her place, we made dinner together, when done with dinner we went to the cinema and watched a movie, plenty of kino. When the date was done at like 23:30 she suggested we should go to her place to watch a movie, we just ended up lying on the couch talking for 4-5 hours, at this point it was like 4am, we went to bed. She invited me to sleep with her in her bedroom, i tried to escalate but closed body language as a result. I rolled over in bed and backturned her. She then cuddled up to me and i tried to escalate, then she backturned.. ****. I was like screw this and went to sleep. We woke up and i took off, hugged her goodbye. She started texting after literally 10 minutes and we texted troughout day. By night she suggested a second date (i would have a couple days later) - i accepted and came with two possible days - she coulndt any og them (seems legit, snooped around on facebook. She texted "we will figure it out" and i was like "sure" - couple days later i sent her a "Guess what? Just walked on hot coal, this is wiiiicked" (i did!) then... 24h no reply. I texted "did you get kidnapped my sharks or something?" she finally replied with "No, just ill" I sent a text after hoping her to get well soon... Guess What she ignored it. Now i'm just doing a freezeout and go clubbing. Any ideas to what made her from hot pre date and post date but cold when we are figuring out a second date SHE suggested. I feel like just letting it go and go get some ONSs, so much easier than this crap. Or maybe phone and ask her out early next week.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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mikeyb

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Three problems I can see immediately:
1) You sat on her couch for 4-5 hours talking?! Girls don't just invite you back to their place because they want to talk. You had your chance there and you missed it.
2) You're texting her throughout the day and based on the texts you're posting here you probably come across as a needy attention seeker.
3) You're stalking her on facebook. It's not like she knows it but it shows that this girl's gotten inside your head and now you're acting all messed up.

Don't keep texting her and asking her out. I'd leave it alone and see whether she makes contact again.
 

Pimp-sicle

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mikeyb said:
Three problems I can see immediately:
1) You sat on her couch for 4-5 hours talking?! Girls don't just invite you back to their place because they want to talk. You had your chance there and you missed it.
2) You're texting her throughout the day and based on the texts you're posting here you probably come across as a needy attention seeker.
3) You're stalking her on facebook. It's not like she knows it but it shows that this girl's gotten inside your head and now you're acting all messed up.

Don't keep texting her and asking her out. I'd leave it alone and see whether she makes contact again.

Spot on!

To add to this, you literally spent half a day with her on the initial date and came across as a "friend" instead of a potential sexual partner.

This is why I'm a strong advocate of keeping contact (text, phone calls, FB etc) to a minimum early on. You already have set aside time to see each other 1 on 1, why talk over text about most likely silly stuff so much? Now don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with a few flirty texts here and there, but don't go to the extreme.

Bottom line, you built ZERO ATTRACTION and too much comfort. When there's too much comfort you are the friend, when there's too much attraction without enough comfort, your the ass-wwwwhole who gets to fuvk her brains out a few times a month, but not be anything more.





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Johnnyventana

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She's being a fkr face. Here's what I have learned when they respond all cold like that. Don't reply to it. Here's why:

a. You don't reply. She eventually realizes she was a beeeatch, and comes chasing back all sweet.

b. You reply to her coldness. She sees she owns you, she then never considers her bad behavior, and in fact, engages in more bad behavior. Hard to recover from.
 

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Wow. 5 hours talking in couch. Sounds like you were the one p!ssing her off and she decided to drop you and find someone who can step up to the plate. Sorry but you were sent to tripple A.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I can then tell you i got stories about how she got issues with guys because shes been at a Girl only orphanage and Got sexually molested, i didnt want to bring it up but if you escalate talking about heavy duty **** like that you are a creep. Still, why would SHE ask for a second date if she lost interest? WHY would she invite me to sleep in her bed if she wasnt interested. IMO shes either 1) Genuinely retardedly busy or 2) Major **** testing. Thanks for your input, though. Oh.. And it was always her that initiated text/facebook chatter - how exactly dó you cope without saying 'shut the **** up' - surely ignoring her texting wouldnt pan out either.
 

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this all sounds a little weird to me. inviting you inside to stay over is a golden ticket. you talk and watch movies and sleep in the same bed but you don't go all the way? i suppose that was her initial plan to do it with you. then she doesn't do anything when she has you in bed? if a woman really wanted you she would be on you no matter if you showed any interest or not. it is her place and her plan was to nail you. then she turns over and goes to sleep when she has you there? just like i said weird. let me tell you something back in the day and even now i could go over to a woman's house and sit like a lump of coal and she would be on me because thats what she invited me over for to be in her bed. she wouldnt just turn over and especially if i started cuddling with her. she would want to do me because thats what she planned to do. that is why this is all very weird.
 

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I was reading your thread thinking "this is going pretty smoothly, I wonder what's going to go wrong." Then I read this:

When the date was done at like 23:30 she suggested we should go to her place to watch a movie, we just ended up lying on the couch talking for 4-5 hours"
OOPS. That's the exact moment you lost your shot with her. She invited you to her place "for a movie" WHEN YOU JUST SAW ONE. That means she invited you to be a man and ravish her. Instead you talk to her for 4-5 hours like her girlfriends would. You became d!ckless to her after that point, so she felt comfortable enough to invite you to her room like she would in a sleepover with her girlfriends. Note that after all her hints and invitations, you never even tried to make out with her. You never went past light kino, into real sexuality, just like her friends behave around each other and so you became like a brother to her. Now she see's you as a brother, but realizes you want to fvck her, so yeah, to her you're like a brother that wants to fvck her. That's why she is being distant. You can't blame her, any girl would react that way.

Of course she doesn't MIND talking for hours. Girls love that, but it's not doing YOU any favors in regards to how she'll see you. You only have yourself to blame.
 

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Yeah i get the point, probably escalated too late. Should have been way more agressive from the moment we stepped inside her door - need practice on this part. I also noticed she was yanking her hair, applying lip gloss and **** while on the couch, i just pulled the trigger too ****ing late. Damnit. Want to buy calibration. Oh well. Ill try to reinitiate contact at some point next week, i'm prepared the ship probably sailed, whatever, i'll give another shot. Basically worst case scenario is a **** off and ill go onto the next one.
 

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HariPoter13

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Bash said:
shes been at a Girl only orphanage and Got sexually molested
Its funny how they all say that they've been abused as a child. Its either an excuse (99.9%) or they are truly fucked up. No point bothering either case.
 
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