"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Girl picks an expensive place to hang out...

forgottenDreams

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I'm just looking for fun ways to counter a girl who picks an over-priced place to go have drinks for a first date.

She goes: I was thinking [place x], but whatever you want is ok.
I now this translates to: Take me to [place x].

Please share your wisdom on how you would reply to her :D

UPDATE: I thought it's an indication she's a gold digger? Now I'm confused.
 
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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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forgottenDreams said:
I'm just looking for fun ways to counter a girl who picks an over-priced place to go have drinks for a first date.

She goes: I was thinking [place x], but whatever you want is ok.
I now this translates to: Take me to [place x].

Please share your wisdom on how you would reply to her :D
Herp-a-derp. Just give her your suggestion on what to do. If you do it without being a wuss she won't care. She told you herself she's OK with it.

I know you think it means you should take her to place X. But she'd rather you strongly set the place than supplicate and go along with whatever she has to say. A little counter intuitive, but trust me on this. Call her or the next time you see her tell her "I think place Y would be a better time let's go there."
 

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I personally like going to the most expensive places but only getting one drink and maybe an appetizer. Just sit at the bar. Tell her you'll get a table if you ever decide to propose marriage to her. Is a $10 drink versus $7 drink going to break the bank? Don't take her then. But if you don't have an extra $6 you are too broke to date anyone. Dating is part of the mating (i.e. having children) ritual. You are supposed to be providing for her survival and showing your generosity and ability to support offspring (or at least spending sprees).

And for the one drink she can still FB photos of herself at her favorite place, in the trendier lounge area.
 

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bigneil said:
I personally like going to the most expensive places but only getting one drink and maybe an appetizer. Just sit at the bar. Tell her you'll get a table if you ever decide to propose marriage to her. Is a $10 drink versus $7 drink going to break the bank? Don't take her then. But if you don't have an extra $6 you are too broke to date anyone. Dating is part of the mating (i.e. having children) ritual. You are supposed to be providing for her survival and showing your generosity and ability to support offspring (or at least spending sprees).

And for the one drink she can still FB photos of herself at her favorite place, in the trendier lounge area.

I'm surprised no one thinks she's trying to use me?
Honestly that's the first thing that came to my mind when she suggested an over-priced pub for a first date. Maybe I'm wrong then? :crazy:
 

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Are these drinks $20 apiece? Does it really matter where you go? Maybe she will be more comfortable there or she likes the place. I think you are overanalyzing.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I don't think you're over-analyzing, OP. If a chick proposes that you take her to an expensive place, she's trying to set the frame. It's not about the money you spend on that date, it's about that date setting you up for spending lots of money throughout the relationship.

And keep in mind that Big Neil dates strippers, who are always on the take. And that's fine with him. Most guys are not interested in women like that. You should be setting the frame in a way that allows you to get the most p*ssy for your money.

Here's your equation:

[(Amount of pvssy)*(hotness of pvssy)] / [(money spent getting pvssy)*(time spent getting pvssy)] = Success
 

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Cant really elaborate but I smell something wrong in how this date is getting planned, I agree with Zarky that she is setting the frame and thats not a great thing at least in my experience.

In my experience all the girls which tried to set the frame were either no interested in me except as "friend" (read it entarteinment) or were the type of girls you really dont need in your life if you care about your mental health.

My suggestion is to reframe completely and say that you heard about a place that some guys at work/gym found pleasable and you want it to try yourself, according to her reaction you have further elements to evaluate.
 

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She can "want" to go to the moon, that doesn't mean squat! Why in the hell are you even negotiating where you go? She's not the wife you married 10 years ago and you are planning an anniversary date, it's a preliminary date to get to know her, so you pick the place YOU want to go to, regardless of her expensive suggestion. Even if the pace is dirt cheap, YOU pick it, unless she is the one who came up to you and asked you out.

Just like zarky said, set the frame so she can follow, or she's gonna wear the pants.
 

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Zarky said:
I don't think you're over-analyzing, OP. If a chick proposes that you take her to an expensive place, she's trying to set the frame. It's not about the money you spend on that date, it's about that date setting you up for spending lots of money throughout the relationship.

And keep in mind that Big Neil dates strippers, who are always on the take. And that's fine with him. Most guys are not interested in women like that. You should be setting the frame in a way that allows you to get the most p*ssy for your money.

Here's your equation:

[(Amount of pvssy)*(hotness of pvssy)] / [(money spent getting pvssy)*(time spent getting pvssy)] = Success
zarky's right on... don't let her set the frame. i'm talking from experience
 

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If a girl uses you for a whole year or two - imagine how hot she must have been!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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visions said:
zarky's right on... don't let her set the frame. i'm talking from experience
Perfect thanks, I will pick a place to go.
I did initially say I will find a place to hang out and let you know, but I added a little note at the end of my message to her saying "I'm open to suggestions if you know any places".

Lesson learnt :up:
 

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It's fine to solicit suggestions, but in the end you make the call. If she has a problem with it, she can find another guy.
 

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Who cares what this chick wants. You need to set up the date to fit what you want to do. Let her know before the date where you are going to take her.
 

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I have used something like 'not telling you where I am taking you, it's a surprise'

Then go where YOU want not her!
 
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