Girl has BF, but I know she likes me

[foamy]

Ok, so this gets complicated and a bit freaky.
I'll start off with palm reading. I picked it up a few months ago, a great little side hobby and girls LOVE hearing their past (I do more past because I think it's easer then future)

So I met this girl (um I'll call her Sue) in late September and only saw her once before 3 weeks ago. I saw her one day walking from class and said that we should meet up and catch a bite to eat. I knew that she had a boyfriend cause when I met her originally she hit me up on myspace. It was an open-ended invite, I really didn't want to waist my time with someone that is already in a relationship, I'm lazy and that's too much work. But later that same day she happened to eat at the same place and time as me. I was sitting with my chick friend and saw Sue and invited her to eat with us.
We hung out after my chick friend went to class and we did homework together. I brought up that I did palm reading and she made fun of it (a lot of girls do this, jealousy I think) I give her a reading.
The odd thing is that the reading was way way way correct. It wasn't like all the other times I do it. I got some REALLY specific things right. Like about her health in her childhood, relationships, big events in her life, and even things about her boyfriend like how many siblings he had. Weird shiznit. It felt like I was just BSing it, but it was all right. bahh.
Anyway, so I started hanging out with Sue a lot. Probably too much. She has not real friends her at college, she is more introverted, but the dorm that she lives in is really anti-friendly. The students that live there dont even talk to me. So I guess I'm her only real friend besides her roommate.
So I read a lot of this site, I have been doing a lot to highlight my quality's, being confident ext. We are quite open with one another (I'm not foolishly so at this I hope) but I know she likes me. I have even teased her a bit when and asked if she had a crush on me. I have even told her that she would date me without that boyfriend of hers (and she smiled and didn't deny it, later she even said it)
Well, I am not going to wait around much. I told her that she should get single and I would take her to the beach and have a great time. I already know she things I'm way more fun then her BF. I met him and went to a party with him, he didn't drink, and was the lamest person at that party.

I told her on Thursday that she needs to choose between me and her BF, and that I am not going to wait long. I actual said "The bus is here now, and I don't know when it's leaving."
Oh, and I have kissed her on the cheek twice, I had a feeling she would have freaked if I zeroed in.

She seemed really shaken up, and seemed to be trying to make up her mind for the past day or two.

I am really asking advice on how to improve my game here, I want to go out with her, but I am not blinded by it.



Thanks!

Foamy

 

[DJF or John]

This is stupid dude. Read Gunwitch. Damn.

I mean, I am so fvcking tired of you guys getting up here with these same bullshyt azz, whining azz questions. The answer, the prescription is already on this site. Why not read the fvcking site?

Read Gunwitch.

Read Gunwitch.

Read Gunwitch.

Then after you read him, apply those things to your personality and go out and get laid.

You guys are lazy azz people. Dont' want to read the forum, but wants someone to give you a magic pill. Read the fvcking forum and develop yourself like I did. Then you won't have these problems.

Lol, this guy says he likes a girl that has a boyfriend, lol lol lol. I can't take it anymore, this stupid azz bullshyt.

 

[foamy]

Ok, another thing I should mention. I get poon all the time. at LEAST once a week.
My motto has been "Why eat a hot dog every day if you could have a variety of stake, hamburger, or prim-rib"
I had 2 dates Friday, and "Sue" knows that I have lots of girls chasing me. (All because of this forum and sosuave)

I really don't know why, but I really want to try a relationship with this girl.
Her boyfriend is already getting really jealous, so I think it's just a matter of the closer.

But I am reading Gunwitch right now, so thanks in that respect.

 

[Docs]

I told her on Thursday that she needs to choose between me and her BF, and that I am not going to wait long. I actual said "The bus is here now, and I don't know when it's leaving."
Oh, and I have kissed her on the cheek twice, I had a feeling she would have freaked if I zeroed in.

You have sh!tty game. I'm going to tell you right now, she's not going to break up with him. She will feel guilty about it. You made the wrong move, and now she's presented with a ultimaium, to keep things the same, or to dump her boyfriend and go out with you (and starting to feel guilty about it).

Watch it. She will not move for you, at least, not by this method. Wait for whatever recovery period, and do it properly (because she IS interested, but dumping someone takes a lot of heart, and self-determination to do)

 

[foamy]

what should I have done then? I usually dont waist my time with girls with BF's, so I'm a bit out of water.

I want to learn from this, what should I have done?

 

[DJF or John]

Foamy listen....

 

[DJF or John]

Since you are willing to learn, and don't seem like another troll nut, I'll help you.

First off, you must eliminate everything you have learned up to now about women. What your family told you, etc.

I would start by reading Pook's posts. Look in the DJ Bible section, there's a whole book of Pook. Read that entire thing.

Next, read Gunwitch.

Then ponder on those for some time, about a couple of days. Then bump this thread back up, and I'll check back and check on you.

The thing, you have to first developed innerly. You need to develop into a natural man, with a natural sexuality, natural confidence, and a natural life. Pook will help you with this.

Now, women are simple, guys just make it very difficult. Women are sexual beings, being sexual connects with them. You can be WHOMEVER you want, you can have WHATEVER personality you want, just be sexual.

It's not about looks, money, fame, fortune, any of that. It's not about making the right moves, it's not about saying the right stuff, all that stuff is not what it's about. It's about being sexual. A woman will love a guy that's a complete loser, but because he's sexual, that's why she loves him.

But you need to read, Read the Book of Pook, then Gunwitch. Bump this thread back up.

Gone ahead.

 

[Docs]

Well, to learn what you did wrong, you have to understand me here. She's dating a guy. She likes you at the same time, but yet she fails to make a move on you. That's one thing I noticed, was that yeah, she'll flirt with you back, but she isn't directly initating anything towards you.

Now, why of all things would she not make a move yet? Because duh, her boyfriend is existing, and she cares about him (even if it's less then you), AND she's dating him.

So, for you to make the $1,000,000 question to her, and you having nothing more then being able to turn her on with words and a few kisses on the cheek, you have nothing else to back on. So, sure, my logic could fail and she could dump him and go for you, but that's a huge decision to make, one accompied by immense amounts of guilt, regret and drama. But, my logic usually is strong logic, so between what she has to gain, to lose, and the common knowledge that girls can't make decisions for the life of them, I put my thumb on her not moving. She'll still flirt with you, because you have that common line in your FRIENDship with her, but you should have used more interesting methods of gaming her then cornering her into a must-decide.

So, grab that search button and find 'boyfriend destroyers', 'the kiss test' or 'triangulation/triangular gaze', or my personal favorite deals with imbeding sexual thoughts into her subconsious (ie: thinking about you when you mention something, and she can't help it).

You aren't screwed yet, because she'll still carry that interest, but you'll want to let this blow over before you slowly apply game again. Just ensure you learn that you have to make the move, but before you can make a move, you have to set yourself up properly for it first (hence no freaking out about it)

 

[DJF or John]

Docs this is wrong,

"Now, why of all things would she not make a move yet? Because duh, her boyfriend is existing, and she cares about him (even if it's less then you), AND she's dating him."

All a guy needs to do is be sexual. It's a natural inner flow that comes from inside a man's soul and connects him with all the chicks.

That's it.

Damn.

Read Gunwitch.

All that stupid azz planning and procedures you gave him. Omg, when are you guys really going to learn? When, next year? In 2008? You make me fvckin sick.

 

[Docs]

I never knocked being sexual. Learn to read.

She's dating a guy. She likes you at the same time, but yet she fails to make a move on you. That's one thing I noticed, was that yeah, she'll flirt with you back, but she isn't directly initating anything towards you.

Just ensure you learn that you have to make the move, but before you can make a move, you have to set yourself up properly for it first

Sexual confidence is one way to do it, yes. Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that displaying a *wink wink nudge nudge* side of yourself helps a lot, but my advice is tailored to his CURRENT ordeal. I don't care how much you rely on one tactic, or how you broadcast it, but if it doesn't apply at the right moment, it is nothing more then ohh...ok, next time knowledge.

So, you can apply all of the gunwitch you want right now, but the situation is already botched at the moment because he went ahead and gave her the "it's me or him" question, and that's why continuing to stay on a single path will fail him here.

"Now, why of all things would she not make a move yet? Because duh, her boyfriend is existing, and she cares about him (even if it's less then you), AND she's dating him."

All a guy needs to do is be sexual. It's a natural inner flow that comes from inside a man's soul and connects him with all the chicks.

If he was to use GunWitch INSTEAD of what he did, then yes, go nuts. However, we are past that point, and you also have to understand that. I fully agree with your points, but continuing to read below...

Let the situation blow over, and reapply proper game. (ie: You can use Gunwitch then) You note that I looked deeper into the situation, as such;

So, sure, my logic could fail and she could dump him and go for you, but that's a huge decision to make, one accompied by immense amounts of guilt, regret and drama. But, my logic usually is strong logic, so between what she has to gain, to lose, and the common knowledge that girls can't make decisions for the life of them, I put my thumb on her not moving. She'll still flirt with you, because you have that common line in your FRIENDship with her, but you should have used more interesting methods of gaming her then cornering her into a must-decide.
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You aren't screwed yet, because she'll still carry that interest...

This is why I can plan almost anything, because I see the lower levels of subconsious thinking, and at the same time, I left 'game' open-ended, free for him to use any method of choice.

See, I even presented a rebuttal without insults, AND I agreed at the same time! Contridiction? Nah. It's called 'How to argue 101' .

 

[Mind_Body_Soul]

foamy - I recently learned this - do not give a girl ultimatums e.g. "Dump your b/f or else." If you really want her to dump her b/f than you have to somehow demonstrate that you have a higher value than him.

The question is really this - why do you want to go and be a homewrecker? There are tons of women out there.

You say you want a relationship with this girl but if she dumps her b/f for you, what makes you think that she won't dump you for the next smooth talker? I'm sure your game isn't that dead-on, but I could be wrong.

Come on man - you've got options. You're getting laid every week. Why do you want to take this girl? I'll tell you why - because she has value. Why does she have value? Because she has a b/f. If she was single you'd have banged her and moved on.

Careful what you wish for.

 

[foamy]

Ok, so I am reading Gunwitch,
The only thing I really disagree with right now is about the palm reading. It contradicts an article on sosuave (2 articles if I remember correctly)
Another thing is that I know it works, I have used it for a few months. All women want to hear about themselves, and all human brains look for patterns. So if I say, you had some major event happen when you were between 14-16, then the person will try to THINK of something that happened then.
And I have gotten in the pants of women using that method (about a 50% chance)

I already read most of the Bible, I'm over 3/4ths of the way through, should be done later today.

My brother-in-law was one of the best DJ's I know. Not only is he English (has the 'queen's' accent) but he also is one of the most witty quick minded people I know. He got LOTS of a$$ before settling down.
He told me to tell her that I'm not going to let her waist my time, that if she wants me, then she has to dump her BF.
Looking back, I know that I did do the whole "Boyfriend Destroyer" and made myself look better then him.
But what I am really looking for I think is how to close with this? Should I have just waited it out and eventually she would have dumped this boyfriend of 3 years? Like I said, I never go for the one's that are already taken, and have bad game here.
(If this happens again, do I just act like she doesn't have a BF? Has anyone succeeded in this before that could elaborate?)

I have thought about it, and (unless someone really think I can somehow pull it off) I think I'm going to do what Docs said, as he seemed to be the only one to give me a direct approach. Let it cool off, let her come to me when her BF isn't around (I know she will, that's her MO) And when she asks why I havent been hanging around her as much, I'll just say that I'm spending more time with other women.
Sound good?

Thanks again!

Foamy

 

[foamy]

Now she's trying to text me over MSN,

Do I just ignore her?

 

[Docs]

The only thing I really disagree with right now is about the palm reading. It contradicts an article on sosuave (2 articles if I remember correctly)

Take this site with a grain of salt. Material contridicts other material. Posters argue over themselves, contridict themselves, are highly (or...latched onto) a belief and will not fall from it for the life of them, etc.

But what I am really looking for I think is how to close with this? Should I have just waited it out and eventually she would have dumped this boyfriend of 3 years? Like I said, I never go for the one's that are already taken, and have bad game here.

It's not over, I already said that. You let this blow over, and you decide on what you're going to do, and how you're going to do it. Just understand that if what you want with this girl is a relationship, or a hookup, or anything of the like, she isn't going to do it for you (ie: She isn't going to kiss you first), so you have to. That is what is unique about your situation, because she has confirmed feelings for you, as compared to being LJBF'ed (Lets Just Be Friends) with no feelings whatso ever.

And when she asks why I havent been hanging around her as much, I'll just say that I'm spending more time with other women.
Sound good?

You don't even need this, just say that you've been busy. School, work, friends, study, games, whatever. No need to be specific. People think telling girls that they were hanging out with other chicks might be beneficial, but if the chick in question doesn't have feelings, it doesn't mean anything. The problem with this chick, is although she has feelings, she is attached, thus it is a ineffective way to do things.

Keep reading and learn to look at more of the picture that you're looking at. Anyone can tell me a girl is pretty, or cute/hot/sexy/whatever, but I'm the type of person that wants to know WHY you think she's pretty, what FLAWS exist, and her PERSONALITY in regards to interaction (Potential B!tch Factor).