"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

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Girl hangs out with X.. Lies when I call..

Spring

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2 months into a semi-serious dating/relationship thing i talk to this chick on the phone says shell call me later. Never calls so i give her a call its friday night wanna see what shes doing. So the phone picks up, i hear her say, no its melissa.

Flash forward, dont call her for four days finally talk to her and confront her about that call. She says shed rather not talk about it. I say well i need to and your not being very mature or communicative. She finally tells me she was hanging out with her X, he asked if it was me calling, and she lied and said no it was her sister. Keep in mind she had already told me that she was talking to her X still, she just broke up right before we got togethor, out of a year relationship. I was ok with this in the beginning.

I give major attitude, she knows it effected me. She said she didnt think that i would get this upset and i knew, and our relationship wasnt at that point yet. She still likes me and wants to hang out and hopes this doesnt ruin everything. She said shes sorry if it hurt me or anything etc. WOW! major blowback into a defensive low position. She takes control of the rings!

So what do i do? How do i take control back? Or do i just next?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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It sounds like a rejection and that she still wants her X. It sounds like she doesnt want you right now but if you must pruse it then take a step back.

Dont call her as ofter but when you do, be cheerful, funny and talk to her. Act like she never rejected you and dont bring up her status with her X. It will only show that your hung up over her. Dont flirt too mcuh, dont give compliments, just talk to her like shes one of the boys. If she ever is interested in you again, you'll get hints from her.
 

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She obviously has a "semi-serious" relationship with both of you. But more so with her boyfriend than with you. I think she's just keeping you on the side without ever breaking with her boyfriend.

I'm not saying you should dump her, but a LTR has never been an option with this chick.
 

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Is she your GF or just someone you dated?

If it was just someone you are dating then drop it. Why get involved with a chick that has this much baggage. Do you really want all this drama and headache? I always say "Don't date a women that has more problems then you."

And if this is your GF, dude wtf? You have the right to be upset.

1. She lied to you :down:

2. She was and probably right now hanging out with her EX!!

3. She lied to her EX when you called and saying it was her sister?? WTF dude? Seems to me she’s wants to get back or is with her EX and doesn't want him to get whiff of another man. So my guess he doesn’t even know she’s with you.

4. She lied to you bro.

So should you NEXT her?? In my opinion YES!!

For all those things listed above and the fact that
she just broke up right before we got together, out of a year relationship. I was ok with this in the beginning.
Your on the rebound my friend and is being used.

Also she ain't sorry because if she was she wouldn't of done all these things if she truly cared about you.
 

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Shes not my girl. She was someone i was dating for 2 months. About 2 times a week.

What do you think giving her the, "I think we should just be friends" line. And then forgetting about her. I just feel like i really lost alot of ground now.

I would love to see the look on her face if i said that, because she is an easy HB9 and expects to get her ass kissed by every guy that she talks to.

I refuse to kiss her ass, i get all pissed off and the last few phone calls have been very negative while she is all bubbly and positive on the phone like nothing happened.

Uggh.. i donno i just want to deliver the final punch.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Originally posted by Spring

What do you think giving her the, "I think we should just be friends" line.

Uggh.. i donno i just want to deliver the final punch.
I agree, she obviously has a lot of issues, as you started seeing her immediately after her breakup. As others said, she is NOT LTR material. Possibly only a fvck buddy but on your terms.

But I also agree, you leaving now on your terms, would make you feel much better, and raise questions in her mind. It might also make her come crawling back, then you can have her as YOUR toy, with YOU in control.
 

The Bad Ass Canadian

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Originally posted by griffon65
It sounds like a rejection and that she still wants her X. It sounds like she doesnt want you right now but if you must pruse it then take a step back.

Dont call her as ofter but when you do, be cheerful, funny and talk to her. Act like she never rejected you and dont bring up her status with her X. It will only show that your hung up over her. Dont flirt too mcuh, dont give compliments, just talk to her like shes one of the boys. If she ever is interested in you again, you'll get hints from her.
I'm sorry man, but this is horrible advice.

She's still into her ex. Cut all contact with her, because there's nothing you can do to sway her to your side. It bothered you, so why would you hang around... that'll make it worse. Don't call..... if she calls you, be pleasant but don't fall back into her web, cause I think she's keeping you as a backup incase she finds herself alone again. Don't go out with her.

you were a rebound... accept it.
 

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Originally posted by The Bad Ass Canadian
I'm sorry man, but this is horrible advice.

She's still into her ex. Cut all contact with her, because there's nothing you can do to sway her to your side. It bothered you, so why would you hang around... that'll make it worse. Don't call..... if she calls you, be pleasant but don't fall back into her web, cause I think she's keeping you as a backup incase she finds herself alone again. Don't go out with her.

you were a rebound... accept it.
thank you:cheer:
 
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