"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You finally think you have moved on and life seems to be better and you haven't thought of her in a while. then out of the blue she'll either call you or email you, spewing the same garbage that they miss and still love you and BAM it happens the dreaded oneitis hits again.
So true! They all do that! :crackup:

You reply thinking you have a shot at winning her heart back because hey she misses you and she took the time to write you.
:down: Noooo! I read the e-mail a dozen times. I could not believe she was writing this after all the cheap shots and lies at the time of the break-up. And at this moment, I knew there was only one way of winning this and that was: not replying.

And I tell you really, I felt extatic for never replying that stupid e-mail she sent. That's when I really closed the chapter, showed my resolve, my character and put my pride to good use this time.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Man.. sorry, but the one thing you gotta do is ignore her. Go out with other people. Go throw some iron around. Get on with your life. If she sees you're doing that and can't cope, she'll come back.. if she doesn't come back, she won't ever.

But that just means she wasn't the girl for you, and the girl for you is still to come. Or ***, once you get your finger out. Or in. ;)

You've cried your tears, now dry your eyes and hold your head up high. Don't let someone like this bring you down. I promise, in a month's time you'll be wondering why the hell you got yourself so worked up ..
 

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I was writing this as a PM to westcoaster about my ex-girlfriend that I broke up with.

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You know how many times women talk about how desparate guys are with their friends?

I think that I am on the other side of this nowadays. My girlfriend keeps bugging about me going back out with me. She just will not give it up. She keeps saying that she will do anything to get me back.

Even after she said this to me last night, "Will you give me another chance?"
Me: "Look into my eyes and read my lips. It is OVER. Go out with other guys."

She cried. She still continues to annoy me though and gives me every shred of self-esteem and self-respect she has to me. I keep losing respect and she keeps sinking into lala land where the results are never any good.

Now, my friends from my dorm hall see this and we all start laughing about how pathetic and desparate that she is being. Now she could use this to better herself, but I highly doubt that she will do this.

I see this as the same thing that many guys seem to do. Notice that whenever a person starts acting desparate that the people will be finding you pathetic.

That is my experience and notice how this is exactly like how women react too. This is how people see you if you start to do the same exact thing that she is doing. I did not ever believe that a woman would do this for me, but it has been a true eye opener for me because I am getting to see just how truely annoying it is to the hot girls too.

This is why I never will act like that ever again. It is just annoying.

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Look at your relationship and notice what is going on. You are acting the same damn way that she is toward me. You keep driving her away from you. It is actually sickening and I am sorry for what is happening to you, but stop acting like a pvssy.

Put away that gift that she gave to you (even if you throw it away anything is better than dwelling upon it). go to the gym. reform your life. Finally, go after girls. seriously your life would be much better. (read my signature)

comic_relief
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Guys i read a lot of your posts, thanks a lot. i made a mistake today. she called me just 20 minutes ago. i picked up...


she hung up... i called back.. i said hello? she said .. hey.. mi like why did u call me? she said u dont want me to call you anymore? and im like yeah.. bye...


then she calls me later on.. and shes crying like hell.. and im like why are u crying....she wouldnt tell me... and she kept saying how i was right, that id get over her in the future and i told her to tell me why she was crying cus i cared about her still... and she wouldnt tell me, then i asked her if she really doestn want to go to the home coming with me... and she said no and i said ok ill take back the dress then... and then i told her it was her anniversary present but it wasnt.. and she said.. what did u get me for our anniversary present? i told her a picture and buffolo wings cus she loves those and some flowers.. and she just started crying and then she said she had to go and shed call me back...


whjat do i do?
 

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It sounds like your causing some of this.

If you want to be with her, take the necessary steps. If not, quit all contact.
 

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I Want To Be With Her

i love her....


i was thinking... if i take her back so easily, she will have second thoughts again???


i was also thinking if i quit contact for a week.. seh will realize she could really lose me and appreciate me more when i take her back...


i dont understand how this works... if i take her back so soon will things just feel like whatever? or what... i want to be with her again.. but i want to make it count..
 

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i was also thinking if i quit contact for a week.. seh will realize she could really lose me and appreciate me more when i take her back...
Yes, but more like a month. More like a lot of months. In fact, dissappear, like you got yourself a cabin in Broken Butt, Montana. Maybe drop her a line next year.

if i take her back so soon
What? Not possible. She's not coming back. Didn't she just call to cancel going to a dance with you?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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WheyProtein said:
i love her....
First, read this thread...
No, you do NOT love her...
WheyProtein said:
i was thinking... if i take her back so easily, she will have second thoughts again???
Have you been watching the Oxygen network? :confused:
WheyProtein said:
i was also thinking if i quit contact for a week.. seh will realize she could really lose me and appreciate me more when i take her back...
Yep, Oxygen and Lifetime... :nono:
WheyProtein said:
i dont understand how this works... if i take her back so soon will things just feel like whatever? or what... i want to be with her again.. but i want to make it count..
Did you read the thread I attached? Do you still feel this way?
 

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Guys thanks a lot for continueing helping me, although i feel this is the last question i will ask you guys before it might be truely over.... here it goes...


Francisco yes i did read that, and yes i do feel i am in love. but i dont want to question the love right now, i jsut want to understand what is going on...


ok..


since my last post, she called me back, she said she loved me. I said i loved her. we started talking, i told her we belong together, she says she knows, and then i began to talk about my plans and all that and our future and she said she wants to marry me but her parents wont let her marry a guy with no job.. ok wtf?

anyways, i think i rambled on too much because she wasnt really responding, and then she just hung up. i was like wtf. ok maybe her parents walked in.



i am on the way to an adult empornium... so here i am waiting at the bus stop, she calls me, asks me where i am, itell her, she asks why im there, i said its a suprise, she said "pleae tell me".. i said shed have to see for herself tomorrow (she plans on sneaking from school to see me at my apartment)

so i talked to her and she said she was sad.. im like. .what the hell , why?? she wouldnt tell me, i asked her"are u still having second thoguhts about us?" and she said, idont know, i know in my heart that i love you and i want to be with you but i dont know. and im thinking wtf... and she says that she does think its a good idea that we have space between eachother, and then i asked her if she is still considering as being single, she said yes, and im like .............why? the only reason ud do that is to let guys know ur available. she said.. i dont want to fight... and i said, well we need to talk about this, i wanna understand whats going on, and she said she just see me tomorrow, i said no and no tried to keep her onthe line and she hung up...


i go to the adult superstore, i get 2 nice ****oral vibrators and lupricant. i get out. i wait at the bus stop... but now i think it was a bad idea, maybe i should of just bought a fake vagina for myself....


i call her again.. she didnt pick up. seh calls me back..

"did you just call me?? yes
"why?" cus i wanna talk to you

"i dont want to talk right now whey..." why not?? whats going on.

"i dont want to talk right now!! okay?!?! stop calling me. ill callyou tomorrow. "
we need to talk about this, u cant just run away okay, we need to talk about this i want to know what ur afraid of.
"no we dont need to okay, i dont want to talk to you right now. stop calling me. bye"




okay...... little by little.. im starting to feel like she isnt the girl iwant to be with... bu tthen again, what if she really does love me and shes just confused, imean, idont want to just move on so easily when theres hope, but then again, if shes just playing games with me and she is just crushing on another guy from her school then i wouldnt have a problem moving on. i just dont want to keep pushing it and pushing it trying to get her to be with me again..... but then again what if shes testing me to see if i really do love her, fck,, so many questions ....




guys please have an answer... whats going on.. what do i do?!?!!?
 

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man, move on, its killing you cant u see,

i know it sucks, u just wish there was hope but thats the answer, shes treating u like ****, shes also hiding something, thats the reaosn she doesnt wanna talk,
shes not worth it dude by the sounds of it
 

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WheyProtein said:
Guys thanks a lot for continueing helping me, although i feel this is the last question i will ask you guys before it might be truely over.... here it goes...


Francisco yes i did read that, and yes i do feel i am in love. but i dont want to question the love right now, i jsut want to understand what is going on...


ok..


since my last post, she called me back, she said she loved me. I said i loved her. we started talking, i told her we belong together, she says she knows, and then i began to talk about my plans and all that and our future and she said she wants to marry me but her parents wont let her marry a guy with no job.. ok wtf?

anyways, i think i rambled on too much because she wasnt really responding, and then she just hung up. i was like wtf. ok maybe her parents walked in.



i am on the way to an adult empornium... so here i am waiting at the bus stop, she calls me, asks me where i am, itell her, she asks why im there, i said its a suprise, she said "pleae tell me".. i said shed have to see for herself tomorrow (she plans on sneaking from school to see me at my apartment)

so i talked to her and she said she was sad.. im like. .what the hell , why?? she wouldnt tell me, i asked her"are u still having second thoguhts about us?" and she said, idont know, i know in my heart that i love you and i want to be with you but i dont know. and im thinking wtf... and she says that she does think its a good idea that we have space between eachother, and then i asked her if she is still considering as being single, she said yes, and im like .............why? the only reason ud do that is to let guys know ur available. she said.. i dont want to fight... and i said, well we need to talk about this, i wanna understand whats going on, and she said she just see me tomorrow, i said no and no tried to keep her onthe line and she hung up...


i go to the adult superstore, i get 2 nice ****oral vibrators and lupricant. i get out. i wait at the bus stop... but now i think it was a bad idea, maybe i should of just bought a fake vagina for myself....


i call her again.. she didnt pick up. seh calls me back..

"did you just call me?? yes
"why?" cus i wanna talk to you

"i dont want to talk right now whey..." why not?? whats going on.

"i dont want to talk right now!! okay?!?! stop calling me. ill callyou tomorrow. "
we need to talk about this, u cant just run away okay, we need to talk about this i want to know what ur afraid of.
"no we dont need to okay, i dont want to talk to you right now. stop calling me. bye"




okay...... little by little.. im starting to feel like she isnt the girl iwant to be with... bu tthen again, what if she really does love me and shes just confused, imean, idont want to just move on so easily when theres hope, but then again, if shes just playing games with me and she is just crushing on another guy from her school then i wouldnt have a problem moving on. i just dont want to keep pushing it and pushing it trying to get her to be with me again..... but then again what if shes testing me to see if i really do love her, fck,, so many questions ....




guys please have an answer... whats going on.. what do i do?!?!!?

Enough is enough.

Just stop it. The next post you make should be: I have made absolutely NO CONTACT WITH HER WHATSOEVER and have regained my testicles and have MOVED ON.
 

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of course moving on seems the absolute answer, it would be my answer, but it is like impossible for me right now... because of her annivesrary gift. it was the most sweetest thing in the world...

a notebook compiled of her writings of 20 pages about our memories, our love, her love for me, our future, she even drew pictures of our "paradise"... something we both only would understand.... its what is keeping me holding onto her....
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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what's that smell????? oh is the pu$$y that just posted something
 

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WheyProtein said:
...Francisco yes i did read that, and yes i do feel i am in love. but i dont want to question the love right now, i jsut want to understand what is going on...
:nervous: Be afraid... Be VERY AFRAID....!!! :nervous:
 

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of course moving on seems the absolute answer, it would be my answer, but it is like impossible for me right now... because of her annivesrary gift. it was the most sweetest thing in the world...

a notebook compiled of her writings of 20 pages about our memories, our love, her love for me, our future, she even drew pictures of our "paradise"... something we both only would understand.... its what is keeping me holding onto her....
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

So you are saying that this unhealthy relationship is worth a notebook of past days and future dreams that have yet to happen which have no correlation to what's going on today...

Alright, I'm going to go hurl now.....
 

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WheyProtein said:
of course moving on seems the absolute answer, it would be my answer, but it is like impossible for me right now... because of her annivesrary gift. it was the most sweetest thing in the world...

a notebook compiled of her writings of 20 pages about our memories, our love, her love for me, our future, she even drew pictures of our "paradise"... something we both only would understand.... its what is keeping me holding onto her....

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

I'm going to find your gf, have her suck my d*ck, and post pictures of the juicy details ON SOSUAVE so that you finally MOVE ON!!
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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