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Girl admits she's "liked me since October".

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I have been friends with this girl this school year. She is in a lot of my classes and is on my sports team. This past weekend she and I happened to be at the same place and were drinking with people and she admitted to "liking me since October". She has a boyfriend by the way. She was very flirty with me and eventually came back to my room afterwards. (college). She and I were not completely drunk but definitely somewhat. She said that she "never does this" and she doesn't cheat, and that she hopes I don't think she is not loyal because of this. She also then kept telling me to "admit it", meaning that I like her. I kind of just kept deflecting it and eventually said I like her this much, while holding two fingers barely apart from one another, sorta joking around.

I do like this girl, and I think I would get into a relationship with her. She is VERY insecure. She kept asking if she "was worth it?" and that it is up to me to decide what happens. Should I talk to her when we are both sober and just say were good friends and I wouldn't mind seeing where in goes and to try it out? And maybe then she'll dump the BF?
 

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Energy25 said:
I have been friends with this girl this school year. She is in a lot of my classes and is on my sports team. This past weekend she and I happened to be at the same place and were drinking with people and she admitted to "liking me since October". She has a boyfriend by the way. She was very flirty with me and eventually came back to my room afterwards. (college). She and I were not completely drunk but definitely somewhat. She said that she "never does this" and she doesn't cheat, and that she hopes I don't think she is not loyal because of this. She also then kept telling me to "admit it", meaning that I like her. I kind of just kept deflecting it and eventually said I like her this much, while holding two fingers barely apart from one another, sorta joking around.

I do like this girl, and I think I would get into a relationship with her. She is VERY insecure. She kept asking if she "was worth it?" and that it is up to me to decide what happens. Should I talk to her when we are both sober and just say were good friends and I wouldn't mind seeing where in goes and to try it out? And maybe then she'll dump the BF?
So did you actually bang her, or not?

When are you guys going to wake up and realise that what a girl says means nothing, actions are the only thing that matter!

Sure, she said that she never cheats, but it is meaningless. They all say that.

Judging by her actions, if you did bang her, she is into you (at least when drunk), but is also a cheater.

So up to you whether to continue or not.

If you do, don't mention a relationship or anything creepy like that. Just suggest you meet up again and go from there.
 

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So did you actually bang her, or not?

When are you guys going to wake up and realise that what a girl says means nothing, actions are the only thing that matter!

Sure, she said that she never cheats, but it is meaningless. They all say that.

Judging by her actions, if you did bang her, she is into you (at least when drunk), but is also a cheater.

So up to you whether to continue or not.

If you do, don't mention a relationship or anything creepy like that. Just suggest you meet up again and go from there.
No, we did not bang. Anyone else have any advice? She keeps hinting at wanting a relationship with me, but she is still with her bf. What should I do? Spring break is coming up so she could break it off with him then.
 

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Energy25 said:
I have been friends with this girl this school year. She is in a lot of my classes and is on my sports team. This past weekend she and I happened to be at the same place and were drinking with people and she admitted to "liking me since October".
You have any idea as to why she did this? Why would she just come out and tell you that? Unless she was drunk out of her gord,she had some reason for saying that to you.




Energy25 said:
She was very flirty with me and eventually came back to my room afterwards. (college). She and I were not completely drunk but definitely somewhat. She said that she "never does this"


Ah,the old "I never do this/I've never done this before" line. That should have been music to your ears. I feel undescribe-able joy when I hear a girl say that.



Energy25 said:
and she doesn't cheat, and that she hopes I don't think she is not loyal because of this.
Lol,:crackup:.

She said she doesn't want you to think that she isn't loyal because of "this"?

What "this"? You mean her fooling around with you behind her boyfriend's back?

Her being in a RELATIONSHIP with one guy,but going back to the dorm room of another? She went to your room,you two touched,kissed,and groped each other,basically had foreplay,most likely did everything just short of actual sex.



She did ALL THAT with you,then turned around and told you she doesn't want you to think she cheats or isn't loyal.



So she doesn't want you thinking she's not loyal. Hmm.... Now where would she get a silly idea like that? :rolleyes:




Energy25 said:
She also then kept telling me to "admit it", meaning that I like her. I kind of just kept deflecting it and eventually said I like her this much, while holding two fingers barely apart from one another, sorta joking around.
You should have went sexual on her.


Whenever a girl tries to get something out of you that would boost her ego,go sexual. When she tried to get you to "admit" that you liked her,you should have said something like,"Well yeah,of course I like you. You have the biggest boobs/nicest ass/(whatever,as long as it's physical),I've seen in a while".




That way,her ego gets nothing out of it. If you say "I like you" to her,you'll pump up her pride because there's only one "her". She's the only (her name) there is,so she'll get a big head out of it.



If you say something sexual,something about her body (boobs or butt),her ego gets zero because EVERY GIRL has tits and azz. She's not stupid. She knows that no matter how "hot" or "attractive" she is,that in a split second,you could just turn you head and see another girl just as hot or attractive.



So the next time she tries to get you to "admit" something concerning feelings for her,go sexual.



Energy said:
I do like this girl, and I think I would get into a relationship with her.
Well she's already demonstrated the type of relationship partner she'd be,so if you have no problem with what you've seen so far,then have at it man.



energy25 said:
She kept asking if she "was worth it?"

Again,she's seeking attention for her ego. Solution:go sexual.


Energy25 said:
and that it is up to me to decide what happens.

Up to you to "decide what happens"? What does that mean?

Energy25 said:
Should I talk to her when we are both sober and just say were good friends and I wouldn't mind seeing where in goes and to try it out? And maybe then she'll dump the BF?

You're waiting for her to dump her boyfriend? Didn't you say that she's "very insecure"? If so,then why would she rock the boat with him?



Energy25 said:
She keeps hinting at wanting a relationship with me, but she is still with her bf. What should I do?
Date somebody else.

Look,if you think that you're just going to sit around and wait out her relationship,sorry,but it doesn't normally work that way.


As long as you're around,she'll likely keep things EXACTLY the way they are.


She has sex with her boyfriend,while having you boost her ego. You supply the emotional,while her boyfriend supplies the sexual.


That's how it's been for a while,and that's how it is RIGHT NOW. Why would she want to screw that up?
 
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If there is ever a time to deal absolutes it is now OP. Either you go for it & get laid(with no strings attached on your part) or you just simply date someone else & lose her as a sexual prospect, as Pastor Igetit! already pointed out....at your rate, you'll just be her emotional tit.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Energy25 said:
Girl admits she's "liked me since October".
Is this the female version of "I've had a crush on you for years"?
 

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Kirro said:
If there is ever a time to deal absolutes it is now OP. Either you go for it & get laid(with no strings attached on your part) or you just simply date someone else & lose her as a sexual prospect, as Pastor Igetit! already pointed out....at your rate, you'll just be her emotional tit.
Alright I agree I've had enough of not knowing what is going on. To be honest, I simply have not made any moves at all since she told me she liked me. She probably thinks I'm not interested. She's still showing signs of interest and I want to capitalize. What should I suggest to her? Hanging out?
 

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You shoulda took advantage of the opportunity thrown before your feet. Now your gonna struggle to get the booty because of fear and the act of hesitation.

She wants sex or she wouldn't have been alone with you and told you. She may have SAID she wants a relationship with you, but in reality she's more focused on two things: her want for you to be interested in her, and she wanted you to man up and take the booty from her.

You don't want to fall into her web of power by admitting you like her a lot. So ignore that question altogether and invite her over for a late night movie watch or have her come look at "your new project you've been working on." Just find an excuse to get her over, without giving her the idea that you wanna be just friends.

After she's over there, sexualize that sh!t and go after what you want. STOP HESITATING!!
 

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Diaforetikos said:
You shoulda took advantage of the opportunity thrown before your feet. Now your gonna struggle to get the booty because of fear and the act of hesitation.

She wants sex or she wouldn't have been alone with you and told you. She may have SAID she wants a relationship with you, but in reality she's more focused on two things: her want for you to be interested in her, and she wanted you to man up and take the booty from her.

You don't want to fall into her web of power by admitting you like her a lot. So ignore that question altogether and invite her over for a late night movie watch or have her come look at "your new project you've been working on." Just find an excuse to get her over, without giving her the idea that you wanna be just friends.

After she's over there, sexualize that sh!t and go after what you want. STOP HESITATING!!
I know I feel like a ****ing dumbass for not just f*ucking her when I had the chance. It might have f*cked me over but I'll give it a shot this time and either get turned away or get what I want. At least that way I will have an answer.

Thanks man.
 

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@Energy - Good luck man, just stick to what you do best, invite her over(or whereever) & tap dat. We expect a confirmation report. Have fun.
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Well it looks like it's not going to be very difficult to make this happen. Last night I was at the library next to her and first thing when I sat down basically she says "We need to get drunk this weekend." lol and then she kept going back to it saying "We need to plan this out..." So basically we'll be drinking together this weekend, and things will happen. lol i'll post after this weekend.

Thanks guys
 
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