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GF asked my permission to hangout with her male friend.

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Good day,

My gf asked my permission to hang out with her boy friend. (She's a kind of girl that has more male than female friends). I believe her when she said she doesn't have any romantic interest on him. But I'm not sure about the guy. Anyway, I said to her it's okay but she mustn't play around with him (I said this in a joking tone). So what what would you do in this situation?
 

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You should ask to go with her.

After all if they're just friends then it should be no big deal for you to come too.
 

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KontrollerX said:
You should ask to go with her.

After all if they're just friends then it should be no big deal for you to come too.
i dont think thats a very good idea. itll show that you might be trying to control and dominate her and yalls relationship. id rather just lay back and have the "haha theres no other man out there that can satisfy her like i can" attitude.
 

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He could ask her casually like he's so bored that day he can't think of anything else to do.

Asking in that way wouldn't set off any alarms.

In any case if she denies your request its a red flag.

Anyway though Fela Kuti when it comes to chicks like this you have to trust your gut instinct.

It is never wrong, it will tell you if she is trust worthy or not.

If you have the slightest inclination that she is untrustworthy you have to be on your guard.
 

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KontrollerX said:
He could ask her casually like he's so bored that day he can't think of anything else to do.

Asking in that way wouldn't set off any alarms.

In any case if she denies your request its a red flag.

Anyway though Fela Kuti when it comes to chicks like this you have to trust your gut instinct.

It is never wrong, it will tell you if she is trust worthy or not.

If you have the slightest inclination that she is untrustworthy you have to be on your guard.
i just cant agree with you here man

that initial gut feeling that might make u think shes untrustworthy is called INSECURITY. Don Juans aren't insecure, right? ;-)
 

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No its called instinct.

Every person has it.

And while confidence is important to get rid of true insecurity (that being where you question her every move when she's not in your presence) overconfidence can be your downfall as well.

If you generally get a sense that a chick is trustworthy and you don't have to force yourself to believe that she is trustworthy because you want the relationship to work then she probably is trustworthy because the gut instinct is never wrong.

This guy seems wary enough about the situation to come ask us for our opinions on it.

That to me seems like he is at least the tiniest bit worried about all this from what his instincts are telling him because if he wasn't the question wouldn't of been posed to us.
 

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KontrollerX said:
If you generally get a sense that a chick is trustworthy and you don't have to force yourself to believe that she is trustworthy because you want the relationship to work then she probably is trustworthy because the gut instinct is never wrong.

This guy seems wary enough about the situation to come ask us for our opinions on it..
I'm not saying "force yourself to believe that she is trustworthy."
I'm trying to say "give her at least a little space for friends time."

But at this point i dont think either of us can be right about this unless we get more details from this guy.
 

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Thats true grim.

Its just that when a chick has more guy friends then girl friends it always seems to be bad news and thus a major red flag.

There's tons of horror stories on the forum about this very scenario.
 

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Danger said:
If a girl wants to cheat....she will find a way. Showing you're insecure will only make it faster.

Tell her to have a good time and if they start to hang out enough where it bothers you, invite him and other friends over for dinner or 'game nite' or something. Reading the body language should be able to tell you what's going on and the invite only shows you're being friendly.
Great suggestion.

Frankly, I didn't allow my girlfriend before to hang out with any guys. Sure, to some it seemed controlling, but it was how I wanted things, and if my girlfriend couldn't accept that, then she probably shouldn't have been with me. I care if it's the DJ thing to do or not, but it's the way I wanted things..
 

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She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

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That's why we should always be spinning plates, unless we're married (even then, it might be advisable that we should be spinning plates so that at a moment's notice you can call upon some dame to have her come over, whatever, just chill by the fire, breaking the kindling, show her your 30 odd 6 rifle, and camping/hunting trip pictures of a skinned 30-point buck).
 

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Danger said:
If a girl wants to cheat....she will find a way. Showing you're insecure will only make it faster.

Tell her to have a good time and if they start to hang out enough where it bothers you, invite him and other friends over for dinner or 'game nite' or something. Reading the body language should be able to tell you what's going on and the invite only shows you're being friendly.
exactly , what a good idea.
 

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your answer...

Fela Kuti said:
she mustn't play around with him (I said this in a joking tone). So what what would you do in this situation?
A professor told me, he summarized Froyed in one sentance.. "No one ever kids" i.e. in every joke there some truth to it... u obviously a little conserned about her hanging out with him.... Here is what I have to tell you, I have a female friends that I would not hook up with, but there are 2 reasons... 1, I am not attracted to her, or 2 I already fcked a while back and no longer want to... does that make sence? i.e. we got it out of the way, so there is no cocern... the 1st case, I actually had opportunity to do so and I told her "no, I dont want to ruin our friendship"... so there you have it... it is true that if there is attractio there should be consern... most importantly that is irrelivent, because its all about how you feel, you cant expect her to change for you, so maybe she just not right enough,,, in a long run you want someone compatible. Some girls cant hang out with guys just as friends, i.e. the guy she hangs out with is her bf. I like that kind of girl... But thats me, u need to figure out whats best for you.. keep in mind, naturally we are not made to be monogomous animals... its only natural for one thing to lead to another... so the question to ask if attraction is there, if not, who cares, if you know your out of his league, who cares... i.e. if she going out with brad pit, i be worried, but if YOUR brad pit, you know u got nothing to worry about it... truth hurts
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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your wrong... BAD RESPONCE

gRiM999 said:
i just cant agree with you here man

that initial gut feeling that might make u think shes untrustworthy is called INSECURITY. Don Juans aren't insecure, right? ;-)
i so disagree.... initial gut feeling is correct man... if i know im out of a girls league i wont ever get a feeling like that, but a few times a used my charm and got 10plus models, few times i got that "insecurity" feeling.. but it was not insecurity, she infact did cheat on me...

ALWAYS GO WITH YOUR GUT MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! ur gut is always right... even if your wrong, would u want to be with a women that makes u feel that way??? no... so just dump it on the spot, or if you cant, atleast start seeing women on the side!!!
 

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this is the **** test that seperates the DJ's from the AFC's in real time.


Any attractive woman you date is going to have the following:


1) Male Suitors who hate you for the simple fact that you are fvcking "their girl"
2) Male "friends" who jsut wanna "hang out"


You are dealing with a woman that gets hit on 1 to 3 times a DAY. Most attractive women aren't at a shortage of men.

Here is my theory.. it just's a theory.. it's not law.

I would shot a girll down automatically that asked me to change any part of my life for her.. besides stopping to fvck other women, which is natural. I can't be a hypocrite and make her stop talking to her male friends as well.

Granted, we all know waht 19 out of 20 of thoose guys want. But we also know, from experence, that just because he wants it doesn't mean it's going to happen. she has to want it just as bad. adn as long as you give her a reason not to want it just as bad, you are fine.


Nothing good can come out of making an objection in this situtation


If you do it's a sign of insecurity, which will drive her to do what you are trying to advoid in the first place

The best thing to do in that situtation is to do the exact opposite. EXACT. Be as supportive as you possibly can. As fvcked up as it sounds... hear me out:

when it's all said and done, one thign I have learned about women, is that a woman has a loaded pistol with 1 bullet.. her pvssy. Her giving it and taking it away is her best asset she has. the posibility of her making it available scares most men into possessive behavior. By beign supporting and not clingy, by incourageing her to go out, maintain her old friends... what can she do? you've disarmed her. she has no weapons anymore.. she's firing blanks.
more times than not it's just a **** test anyway.. which you have by defalt passed with flying colors. If it's not a **** test and she has an old friend.. that's great. you go see an old friend to and let's see how long she keeps that old friend.

If she had the idea to go out and get some, your attitude on the situtation will throw her in such a loop, she will be more bewildered than anxious to do anything and her curosity will spike back up in why you are acting so supportive in a situtation where sex with someone else is a real posibility.

It NEVER fails.


more times than not, it's the second option.... it's a **** test. She just wants to see how clingy you really are when the heat is on. women aren't dumb. it's one thing to say "babe i'm this and babe i'm that.. i'm this.. blah blah.. it's another thing to bE that under pressure.

show your woman how you feela bout her.. dont' TELL her.. show her. Grab her ass and start nibblign on her neck when she's getting ready to go out because you can't keep your hands off her.


and if all else fails.. your other plates should be on your hand being getting ready to be spinning at full throttle.


**** just last night my GF told me she was going to dinner with a guy from work who she had to keep a good relationship with.. but made it known he was extremely attracted to her. hell what the fvck am I supposed to do? Cry? Beg her not to go out on a work related project to do what she needed to do? she's been doing it bfore she meet me.. I'm added to her life, her life doesn't revolve around me.

Confidence works in a funny way. the more you have, the more **** happens in favor for you. the more you don't have, the moer it rains on your head and trouble somehow finds where you live.
 

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TruthHurts said:
so the question to ask if attraction is there, if not, who cares, if you know your out of his league, who cares... i.e. if she going out with brad pit, i be worried, but if YOUR brad pit, you know u got nothing to worry about it... truth hurts
I think I am Brad Pitt. So I don't worry. :cool:
 

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When she asked me, "do you really allow me to go? because I don't want your mouth says one thing but your heart says another." I answered: "of course. I don't want to be jealous because to be jealous is to be insecure." She said: "yeah, I guess you're right! I didn't think of it before."
 

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Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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