Getting girls to escalate

[Mando]

Pretty much what the title says, I can open, get em to hook, but I fail to get them to escalate and I either get friend zoned or nexted. Anyone have some advice on this? I kino a good amount already, I think it just has to do with my verbal communication.

Specific example:I was at a party, I go up to a girl start talking to her, we talk for like 1-2mins, then I can tell she's getting bored and then eventually she starts talking to a friend instead of me or will start talking to another guy.

Help anyone?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Allurre]

1. What exactly do you talk about?
2. The topic MUST not be 'friend zone material'
3. Are you venturing into more daring questions?
4. How do you deliver yourself verbally? Are you enthusiastic, engaging, exciting to talk to?
5. Are you too wrapped in to applying kino that you're compromising the opportunity to naturally vibe with girls?

 

[Mando]

1. What exactly do you talk about?
2. The topic MUST not be 'friend zone material'
3. Are you venturing into more daring questions?
4. How do you deliver yourself verbally? Are you enthusiastic, engaging, exciting to talk to?
5. Are you too wrapped in to applying kino that you're compromising the opportunity to naturally vibe with girls?

I'll use examples from yesterday since it usually varies but its usually along those lines:

1. I introd myself, asked her name, she asked mine, then we chit chatted about where we're from, how we know the host, then she told me about how she's a model and stuff, then told me about her track meet, and after that we kinda lost it+her and her friend had to leave. Basically all the convos I had last night went like that, except this one with some guy that goes to a college near mine, we talked for a good 20ish minutes and the girls with us were getting pissed because we weren't paying them attention haha. I think we overdid the not paying attention thing though.

3. No I'm not, I should probably work on that. Any examples you'd give of those type of questions?

4. I'm usually kicked back and calm at the start since thats how my personality is, but then the longer I talk to them the more comfortable and loud/energetic I become. Nothing crazy though unless I drink =P. I'd also like to work on this but idk its awkward for me because thats not how I usually am.

5. Nah I think I'm good on the kino, its usually natural and subtle, I don't make it awkward or anything.

 

[Jonblood]

1. What exactly do you talk about?
2. The topic MUST not be 'friend zone material'
3. Are you venturing into more daring questions?
4. How do you deliver yourself verbally? Are you enthusiastic, engaging, exciting to talk to?
5. Are you too wrapped in to applying kino that you're compromising the opportunity to naturally vibe with girls?

Im also interested in #1. What can you talk about that is not friendzone. A lo tof guys her mention speaking somewhat sexually.

 

[The Asian Lover]

Have any of these women given you solid eye contact?

 

[Mando]

Have any of these women given you solid eye contact?

Yeah its pretty much direct eye contact when I talk to them.

 

[The Asian Lover]

Yeah its pretty much direct eye contact when I talk to them.

Did they give you solid eye contact before you approached them?

 

[Mando]

Did they give you solid eye contact before you approached them?

Yeah, we made eye contact for about 2 seconds, then I went and sat next to them and was gonna talk but my friend came over and showed me where the drinks were, so I went to get one and one of the girls followed me and also got one, then we talked for a couple of minutes and went back outside with the other girl, then all 3 of us talked about how they know each other etc and some other guy joined the convo but they weren't really interested in him(the girl even told me out loud while the kid was talking to her friend, "Umm I don't think he gets we don't understand what he's saying or don't wanna talk to him haha" because he was drunk as **** and slurring like crazy. Then after a couple more minutes of small talk, the girl got a call from her parents saying her and her friend had to go, but they stuck around for a little talking to the host(going away party). Then they went out the front while I was in the back playing beer pong, so thats that.

There were a couple of points in the convo where there was that awkward silence but we didn't think much of it because we didn't know each other at all. It wasn't too bad, I just would've liked to escalate more than just number/facebook exchanges because that's where I always seem to get stuck.

It seems that almost every time I talk to a girl I hook her, get her number, talk with her for about a week or so, then she starts getting bored and losing interest and will either A. Friend zone me, B. Talk to someone else instead of me, or C. Both. Idk what the problem is, I know its not kino, it has to be lack of interest in the conversations or something.

 

[The Asian Lover]

Yeah, we made eye contact for about 2 seconds, then I went and sat next to them and was gonna talk but my friend came over and showed me where the drinks were, so I went to get one and one of the girls followed me and also got one, then we talked for a couple of minutes and went back outside with the other girl, then all 3 of us talked about how they know each other etc and some other guy joined the convo but they weren't really interested in him(the girl even told me out loud while the kid was talking to her friend, "Umm I don't think he gets we don't understand what he's saying or don't wanna talk to him haha" because he was drunk as **** and slurring like crazy. Then after a couple more minutes of small talk, the girl got a call from her parents saying her and her friend had to go, but they stuck around for a little talking to the host(going away party). Then they went out the front while I was in the back playing beer pong, so thats that.

There were a couple of points in the convo where there was that awkward silence but we didn't think much of it because we didn't know each other at all. It wasn't too bad, I just would've liked to escalate more than just number/facebook exchanges because that's where I always seem to get stuck.

It seems that almost every time I talk to a girl I hook her, get her number, talk with her for about a week or so, then she starts getting bored and losing interest and will either A. Friend zone me, B. Talk to someone else instead of me, or C. Both. Idk what the problem is, I know its not kino, it has to be lack of interest in the conversations or something.

You have to strike when the iron's hot. If a woman is hot, she has a ton of guys after her tail.

Once you get the number, call her the next day, Set up a coffee date, don't chat too long on the phone, just set up the date. Once you meet her, get to know her better, then you can move on to drinks, then to your place for some fun. :rock:

 

[Mando]

You have to strike when the iron's hot. If a woman is hot, she has a ton of guys after her tail.

Once you get the number, call her the next day, Set up a coffee date, don't chat too long on the phone, just set up the date. Once you meet her, get to know her better, then you can move on to drinks, then to your place for some fun. :rock:

Hahaha well no drinks unless we're going to a party, I'm not 21 =/. Yeah I figured that, but what I need is a way to escalate once I'm there. Like get a hookup or something.

I'll usually keep them interested for a bit, then once the convo starts to die down they bounce. Whats the step inbetween talking about something to making out on the couch? Thats the transition I need to make, because its killing me every time.

 

[Igetit!]

I'll use examples from yesterday since it usually varies but its usually along those lines:

1. I introd myself, asked her name, she asked mine, then we chit chatted about where we're from, how we know the host, then she told me about how she's a model and stuff, then told me about her track meet, and after that we kinda lost it+her and her friend had to leave.

If the majority of your conversations with girls go like this,the problem is simple...

There's no attraction.


The model is A.C.S.,attraction,comfort,seduction. You're skipping over the attraction stage.



Instead of a little busting and teasing to start things off and rev up their emotions,you go striaght to the "comfort/getting to know you" stage.


Women are emotional,but your type of conversation doesn't stir up any feeling in them.



Check out what YOU said in your original post...

I go up to a girl start talking to her,we talk for like 1-2mins,then I can tell she's getting bored...

So the girls are getting bored? After just a minute or two?


That means whatever the conversation is you start off with is dull.



This would explain why the girls either friendzone you,or just leave you after a short time of speaking to them.


They leave you in search of someone with some excitement,some passion,some electricity. They want to feel some type of emotion,anything.



You'd be better off making a girl angry,than coming at her with the type of conversation you use...and I'm NOT JOKING about that.





Also,you said that you don't use any type of romantic questions or topics when you speak to girl.

That's a mistake.

This girl told you she's a model and about her track meet. Well,that's fine and all,but where does the two of you possibly dating fit in in all of that?



How would she know you're interested in dating her if the subject you two talk about is racing at track meets,or the photo shoots she goes to?



She either wouldn't know you like her,or she would know,but think you're beating around the bush and too scared to show your interest...BOTH OF WHICH are bad.



All the "getting to know you" convos should come AFTER you've generated some attraction in her. In fact,it's the initial attraction she feels that even makes her want to get to know you in the first place.



Without the attraction,does anything else really matter?



If you're not attracted to a girl,do you really care where she went to school at? Or where she works? Or what her hobbies are?


It's the same for women. The rules of attraction are the same for BOTH SEXES,but the way were attracted to each other is different.


Just try building some attraction FIRST,then go into the comfort stage.

 

[Blown5.0]

As far as " friend zone material " what should you stay away from....

 

[Mando]

If the majority of your conversations with girls go like this,the problem is simple...

There's no attraction.


The model is A.C.S.,attraction,comfort,seduction. You're skipping over the attraction stage.



Instead of a little busting and teasing to start things off and rev up their emotions,you go striaght to the "comfort/getting to know you" stage.


Women are emotional,but your type of conversation doesn't stir up any feeling in them.



Check out what YOU said in your original post...



So the girls are getting bored? After just a minute or two?


That means whatever the conversation is you start off with is dull.



This would explain why the girls either friendzone you,or just leave you after a short time of speaking to them.


They leave you in search of someone with some excitement,some passion,some electricity. They want to feel some type of emotion,anything.



You'd be better off making a girl angry,than coming at her with the type of conversation you use...and I'm NOT JOKING about that.





Also,you said that you don't use any type of romantic questions or topics when you speak to girl.

That's a mistake.

This girl told you she's a model and about her track meet. Well,that's fine and all,but where does the two of you possibly dating fit in in all of that?



How would she know you're interested in dating her if the subject you two talk about is racing at track meets,or the photo shoots she goes to?



She either wouldn't know you like her,or she would know,but think you're beating around the bush and too scared to show your interest...BOTH OF WHICH are bad.



All the "getting to know you" convos should come AFTER you've generated some attraction in her. In fact,it's the initial attraction she feels that even makes her want to get to know you in the first place.



Without the attraction,does anything else really matter?



If you're not attracted to a girl,do you really care where she went to school at? Or where she works? Or what her hobbies are?


It's the same for women. The rules of attraction are the same for BOTH SEXES,but the way were attracted to each other is different.


Just try building some attraction FIRST,then go into the comfort stage.

Yeah, now that I think on it this is probably my biggest ****-up. I always just start talking about stuff like that, where they came from etc etc. I need to definately start teasing and flirting more to get her attracted. Could you give any examples of stuff to start with that'll help with attraction?

 

[Mando]

As far as " friend zone material " what should you stay away from....

Sorry for double post, but I think he's referring to stuff like I said, talking about her track meets and modeling, while skipping the attraction phase.

 

[The Asian Lover]

Hahaha well no drinks unless we're going to a party, I'm not 21 =/. Yeah I figured that, but what I need is a way to escalate once I'm there. Like get a hookup or something.

I'll usually keep them interested for a bit, then once the convo starts to die down they bounce. Whats the step inbetween talking about something to making out on the couch? Thats the transition I need to make, because its killing me every time.

Once a woman is over at my place, I start making out with her once the door is shut.

As for convo, it should never die. Remember you are the man and you must lead.

Do a combination of
1. Asking her questions about her life
2. Flirting and teasing

 

[Blown5.0]

Sorry for double post, but I think he's referring to stuff like I said, talking about her track meets and modeling, while skipping the attraction phase.

I was just meaning in general...from everybody...that wants to stay out of the friend zone...what are topics to stay away from!?