Lots of debate whether this pickup artist, Chase Amante knows what he is talking about or not. Here's a recent article where he says he keeps hearing the same phrase and variations thereof chanted over and over by men across the Internet:
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I keep hearing this same phrase and variations thereof chanted over and over by men across the Internet:
I see it parroted randomly on forums and article comment sections online.
It’s repeated so freely and easily, and repeated so verbatim, that it’s clear it’s a gut-level response, bleached deep into men’s psyches, that they’ve absorbed from the red pill Internet and internalized.
But if getting girls is a lot of work, I just have this to say to you, amigo:
The way you’re using to get them is the WRONG way!
Mainstream vs. Red Pill: Focused on MALE Investment
Nobody talks about getting women to invest in you. Not really. I’m one of the few guys doing it.
It’s been that way since the early days of this website. If you want to get girls, you’ve got to get them to invest.
Is she investing enough in you?
I realized recently when comparing the messages of the mainstream and the red pill that they both talk about investment – except in completely oppositional ways:
Getting women to invest in you.
Nobody in either of these areas cares about that.
That’s because it’s not a concern of theirs.
The mainstream is trying to prepare men to be dependable husbands for women.
The red pill is trying to unshackle men from women so they can win the Battle of the Sexes.
Neither of them, however, is teaching men how to turn women into their love slaves.
Makes sense why they don’t talk about getting girls invested in you when you think about it that way, no?
I Don’t Care About Male Investment
Let me make this point clear to you right now:
I don’t care how much you want to invest or not in a girl.
If you wanna buy her dinners and trips to Tahiti, knock yourself out.
If you don’t wanna buy her so much as a carnation, knock yourself out there too.
The only thing I care about is that you keep your investment in balance with hers.
Keep your investment relatively matched up to hers.
That means, the more you want to do for her, the more you must get her doing for you.
If you want to chill out and not do too much for her, it’s better to take it easy and limit her attempts to invest, too.
But aside from that consideration – that of keeping your investment in the same ballpark as her investment – male investment is irrelevant. Your investment doesn’t make her fall in love with you any. And if you think you’re winning the Battle of the Sexes by sitting alone in a corner not investing at all in women – psssh. Male investment, whether given or withheld, is mostly irrelevant when it comes to achieving male objectives with the opposite sex.
(are there some cases where investment helps out? Sure. Especially in situations where the guy has a lot of wealth to throw around and not much time, like maintaining a young mistress without leaving his wife and kids. The flipside of that is that while you can purchase ongoing access to her cooch with investment, what you don’t purchase is loyalty; successful older men’s young mistresses living the good life in their free luxury apartments tend to be very easy game for other men with even a smidgen of seduction knowhow)
The more time you spend worrying about YOUR INVESTMENT in women – that is to say, your work, your effort, your time, your money – the more you are focused on the wrong thing with them.
Because women don’t care about that stuff very much at all.
What hooks a woman in is not what you do for her. It is what you are able to get her to do for you.
Reciprocity Doesn’t Work
Men serving women is really sweet. It is also highly transparent.
I’ll add here, before moving onto the next section, that in human courtship reciprocity does not work.
“I’ll buy her dinner, so now she’ll want to come back home and **** me!” doesn’t work. I’m sure she’s grateful for the dinner – but not that grateful.
Women aren’t stupid. They’re very aware what men are doing when those men dote on them with their time or money. They know, because plenty of other men have tried the exact same things with them. If a woman sleeps with you after you trying some sleazy, transparent ‘reciprocity play’, it’s in spite of it, not because of it.
If you want some research, here you go: doing something nice for someone does raise that person’s compliance with your requests a bit, but it does not really improve that person’s impression of you much, and the compliance you extract is the result of that person experiencing “normative pressure to reciprocate.”
That is to say: you can eke out a little more compliance from her in the moment by doing her a favor first, but you’ll make her feel like she’s under pressure to do it. What I have found you will nearly universally see after is that her walls go up; she is trying to protect herself from someone she now regards as manipulative.
Why would she view your kindness and generosity as manipulative?
Because true kindness and generosity don’t come with strings attached.
If they’re strings attached – things you’ll want from her after you do her your ‘kindness’ – it’s not sincere; it’s merely a strategy. And not the kind of strategy a woman appreciates.
(note that doing things for women is fine, so long as you’re not expecting anything or implying she owes you anything due to you having done whatever you did)
Your Focus Should Be HER Investment
Women should be doing for you. Your focus should be on getting women doing for you.
Again:
Male investment is irrelevant.
You’re not going to win her over by investing a ton in her.
You’re also not going to win her over by refusing investment in her.
You WILL win her over by getting her to invest in YOU.
Your focus with women should never be on the investment work that you feel you have to do or think you’re required to do or do not want to do – these are the wrong foci.
Your focus should always be, “What should I do or say next to get her investing more into the seduction (or the early relationship)?”
Once your focus is there, getting girls will not feel like very much work at all.
More like a light workout that gets great results – while other guys are busting their ass in the gym getting nowhere, or sitting it out entirely, pouting, because they think all that heavy lifting is “just too much work.”
Ciao,
Chase
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My thoughts:
His advice is correct, IF the women is young and a virgin or very limited sexual experience. I find all his advice is for young innocent women in their early 20s. The advice above will NOT work if the woman is in her late 20s and older. No women older than 30 is going to invest in a guy unless he is top 5%, even then its iffy. A younger girl, she will invest in a normal guy she likes because she wants love. An older woman? The courtship is transactional. She ain't investing much unless she "gets something big" in return.
Yeah Chase, a 35 year old divorced woman is going to invest in a sightly above average guy because he knows seduction. You are dumb.
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Your thoughts?
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I keep hearing this same phrase and variations thereof chanted over and over by men across the Internet:
- “Getting girls is too much work!”
- “Women aren’t worth the effort!”
- “No woman is worth doing this!”
I see it parroted randomly on forums and article comment sections online.
It’s repeated so freely and easily, and repeated so verbatim, that it’s clear it’s a gut-level response, bleached deep into men’s psyches, that they’ve absorbed from the red pill Internet and internalized.
But if getting girls is a lot of work, I just have this to say to you, amigo:
The way you’re using to get them is the WRONG way!
Mainstream vs. Red Pill: Focused on MALE Investment
Nobody talks about getting women to invest in you. Not really. I’m one of the few guys doing it.
It’s been that way since the early days of this website. If you want to get girls, you’ve got to get them to invest.
Is she investing enough in you?
I realized recently when comparing the messages of the mainstream and the red pill that they both talk about investment – except in completely oppositional ways:
- The mainstream advises men to invest in women. The whole goal is to move men into long-term commitments with women. Do for women, give to women, listen to women, accept women, pay for women, serve women. It’s all about men investing in women.
- The red pill, in opposition to the mainstream, advises men to not invest in women. The whole goal is to ‘level the playing field’ with women in the Battle of the Sexes by withholding male investment. Don’t do for women, don’t give to women, don’t listen to women, don’t accept women, don’t pay for women, don’t serve women. It’s all about men not investing in women.
Getting women to invest in you.
Nobody in either of these areas cares about that.
That’s because it’s not a concern of theirs.
The mainstream is trying to prepare men to be dependable husbands for women.
The red pill is trying to unshackle men from women so they can win the Battle of the Sexes.
Neither of them, however, is teaching men how to turn women into their love slaves.
Makes sense why they don’t talk about getting girls invested in you when you think about it that way, no?
I Don’t Care About Male Investment
Let me make this point clear to you right now:
I don’t care how much you want to invest or not in a girl.
If you wanna buy her dinners and trips to Tahiti, knock yourself out.
If you don’t wanna buy her so much as a carnation, knock yourself out there too.
The only thing I care about is that you keep your investment in balance with hers.
Keep your investment relatively matched up to hers.
That means, the more you want to do for her, the more you must get her doing for you.
If you want to chill out and not do too much for her, it’s better to take it easy and limit her attempts to invest, too.
But aside from that consideration – that of keeping your investment in the same ballpark as her investment – male investment is irrelevant. Your investment doesn’t make her fall in love with you any. And if you think you’re winning the Battle of the Sexes by sitting alone in a corner not investing at all in women – psssh. Male investment, whether given or withheld, is mostly irrelevant when it comes to achieving male objectives with the opposite sex.
(are there some cases where investment helps out? Sure. Especially in situations where the guy has a lot of wealth to throw around and not much time, like maintaining a young mistress without leaving his wife and kids. The flipside of that is that while you can purchase ongoing access to her cooch with investment, what you don’t purchase is loyalty; successful older men’s young mistresses living the good life in their free luxury apartments tend to be very easy game for other men with even a smidgen of seduction knowhow)
The more time you spend worrying about YOUR INVESTMENT in women – that is to say, your work, your effort, your time, your money – the more you are focused on the wrong thing with them.
Because women don’t care about that stuff very much at all.
What hooks a woman in is not what you do for her. It is what you are able to get her to do for you.
Reciprocity Doesn’t Work
Men serving women is really sweet. It is also highly transparent.
I’ll add here, before moving onto the next section, that in human courtship reciprocity does not work.
“I’ll buy her dinner, so now she’ll want to come back home and **** me!” doesn’t work. I’m sure she’s grateful for the dinner – but not that grateful.
Women aren’t stupid. They’re very aware what men are doing when those men dote on them with their time or money. They know, because plenty of other men have tried the exact same things with them. If a woman sleeps with you after you trying some sleazy, transparent ‘reciprocity play’, it’s in spite of it, not because of it.
If you want some research, here you go: doing something nice for someone does raise that person’s compliance with your requests a bit, but it does not really improve that person’s impression of you much, and the compliance you extract is the result of that person experiencing “normative pressure to reciprocate.”
That is to say: you can eke out a little more compliance from her in the moment by doing her a favor first, but you’ll make her feel like she’s under pressure to do it. What I have found you will nearly universally see after is that her walls go up; she is trying to protect herself from someone she now regards as manipulative.
Why would she view your kindness and generosity as manipulative?
Because true kindness and generosity don’t come with strings attached.
If they’re strings attached – things you’ll want from her after you do her your ‘kindness’ – it’s not sincere; it’s merely a strategy. And not the kind of strategy a woman appreciates.
(note that doing things for women is fine, so long as you’re not expecting anything or implying she owes you anything due to you having done whatever you did)
Your Focus Should Be HER Investment
Women should be doing for you. Your focus should be on getting women doing for you.
Again:
Male investment is irrelevant.
You’re not going to win her over by investing a ton in her.
You’re also not going to win her over by refusing investment in her.
You WILL win her over by getting her to invest in YOU.
Your focus with women should never be on the investment work that you feel you have to do or think you’re required to do or do not want to do – these are the wrong foci.
Your focus should always be, “What should I do or say next to get her investing more into the seduction (or the early relationship)?”
Once your focus is there, getting girls will not feel like very much work at all.
More like a light workout that gets great results – while other guys are busting their ass in the gym getting nowhere, or sitting it out entirely, pouting, because they think all that heavy lifting is “just too much work.”
Ciao,
Chase
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My thoughts:
His advice is correct, IF the women is young and a virgin or very limited sexual experience. I find all his advice is for young innocent women in their early 20s. The advice above will NOT work if the woman is in her late 20s and older. No women older than 30 is going to invest in a guy unless he is top 5%, even then its iffy. A younger girl, she will invest in a normal guy she likes because she wants love. An older woman? The courtship is transactional. She ain't investing much unless she "gets something big" in return.
Yeah Chase, a 35 year old divorced woman is going to invest in a sightly above average guy because he knows seduction. You are dumb.
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Your thoughts?
