"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Getting girls can turn you into a loser

BaronOfHair

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This is an interesting case. We often discuss here how early interactions with girls can have far reaching consequences regarding your self esteem and confidence level when dealing with women. Apparently this guy started out getting positive feedback, so that should have given him a solid base of confidence.

But it sounds like age caught up with him, he wasn't prepared for it, and his self esteem got crushed. Almost sounds like he became an incel.
Many folks(Guys and dames alike)who are considered "cool" in high school are the social equivalent of cultural phenomena like Dice Clay


Even at their pinnacle they're one-note, and over the long haul, they become redundant
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Well no, a lack of discipline and time management will turn you into a loser, whether your vice be broads, booze or any other trope associated with loserdom.
 

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I had a Chad friend who peaked early. He lost his hair & grew older. Alas. Chad no more. He should have settled down when he had the chance.
On a positive note; ANY man can somewhat recover untill his 50's..(if he cares about self preservation)
 
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Most dudes I know who got a lot of girls are total losers in life. Even the girls they get from my persepefcie now are worn out, toxic, and low quality. I see those dudes now and they are skinny fat, fat, or someone you just don’t want to look like. They haven’t accomplished anything significant and not very interesting fun people to talk to. Especially in their older age maybe when they’re younger. However what I have seen is those that weren’t successful with women in high school and college become one of the most successful people you know killing it in life. Rejection and pain is a great motivator and actually getting what you want may be a curse.
Rejection and pain come with being a man. Also: sacrifice, integrity and courage

Women can't comprehend the agonies men go through

Nor should they. They aren't mentally equipped for it
 
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Rejection and pain come with being a man. Also: sacrifice, integrity and courage

Women can't comprehend the agonies men go through

Nor should they. They aren't mentally equipped for it
I will also say that you can't become a man without rejection and pain.

Not one that will be respected by other men

And this goes back to your point. Guys that have it easy learn nothing. They show up, find success and then expect it

I'm sure it's nice, but it doesn't make them stronger

Take solace in the fact that you're not alone, and that your struggles make you stronger
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Most dudes I know who got a lot of girls are total losers in life. Even the girls they get from my persepefcie now are worn out, toxic, and low quality. I see those dudes now and they are skinny fat, fat, or someone you just don’t want to look like. They haven’t accomplished anything significant and not very interesting fun people to talk to. Especially in their older age maybe when they’re younger. However what I have seen is those that weren’t successful with women in high school and college become one of the most successful people you know killing it in life. Rejection and pain is a great motivator and actually getting what you want may be a curse.
The point it's good.
This doesnt mean you cant be in an LTR since childhood, but keep you fit, healty and work hard for your success.
 

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I tend to speak in generalities but for this one I’m keeping it individual. I know many men who had no issue getting females when young who went on to be just fine. That includes men who were violent and criminal in their younger years.

The biggest womanizer I grew up with was a former close friend of many years (former for a reason) who was born into a wealthy and powerful family. He’s now married with two kids, has an expensive, big home, and he and his brother have a business his dad granted them. I wouldn’t be surprised if he still cheats on his wife. He is the type of guy whose power and wealth can be smelled by women.

There are some men born peaked and stay peaked.
I can give you an opposite case - friend born into incredible wealth but was not healthy growing up - asthma - and the family were incredibly driven and confident and athletic and he’s never fully developed where he doesn’t feel the need to remind you who he is and where he is from. Don’t get me wrong he’s a great guy and my closest friend and what he’s done for me is unbelievable more than my own family - but you can grow up feeling smaller than you should - his plans for family are not being fulfilled bc he can’t assert himself. Good looking guy it’s a shame. Oh and she filed for divorce can you even believe that.
 
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Often there's a choice that has to be made. You can either:
  1. Get tons of girls and have a libertine lifestyle, or
  2. Focus on career success and those kinds of connections.
Obviously it's not binary and you can mix both, but I do my best romantically when I am unemployed...
 
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