"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I don't even get this. The bar game is so different. Out of the last like 7 numbers I've gotten I've never talked to any of the chicks yet. Whats up with the fakes? Like even the last chick smiled and laughed at everything I said. One thing I noticed though when on your hand its not super legible so that could help. But wtf? I'm giving them like 3-5 min probably and then fakes like crazy wtf?!?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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When she gives you her #, ask her if shes single. "Are you single?!" Picture a cop asking you if youre drunk. I bet other fellows that get her # dont ask that.
 

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banGbro said:
When she gives you her #, ask her if shes single. "Are you single?!" Picture a cop asking you if youre drunk. I bet other fellows that get her # dont ask that.

Ummmm...NO DO NOT DO THIS!!! If these girls are showing interest and giving out their number then assume the sale. The follow-up is key and that's when you find out if she really was interested or just giving out her # to stroke her own ego.

The bar game is DRAMATICALLY different than other situations, just know that the flake factor from bar flys is high in general.




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The girls are out for an ego boost.

Congrats, you gave em one.

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Jay Jay said:
The girls are out for an ego boost.

Congrats, you gave em one.

JJ
Yea man, you should push for a lay that night. I'm sure I remember you mentioning that you were well good-looking on another thread...you should have no problem with ONS's from bars in that case.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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one trick i have heard of is reading the number back to the girl and changing one digit like you heard it wrong, see if she corrects you
 

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Pimp-sicle said:
Ummmm...NO DO NOT DO THIS!!! If these girls are showing interest and giving out their number then assume the sale.


Every motherfvcker that gets her # that night will do the same thing. How are you different?


Believe me, if girl gives you # at a bar she just doing that to get an ego boost. If she was into you there be more. When you are different you have better chances. Try it out.
 

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Deus ex Pianoforte said:
Oh, God.:rolleyes: Don't even start, man.
Na I'm not flaming I'm serious, if he's good looking then good luck to him, make the best of what you got I say.
 

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banGbro said:
Every motherfvcker that gets her # that night will do the same thing. How are you different?


Believe me, if girl gives you # at a bar she just doing that to get an ego boost. If she was into you there be more. When you are different you have better chances. Try it out.
So HOW do you get her?

You think she gives a crap if you are with friends having fun and paying her NO attention, not giving her even a SINGLE glance? She won't care EITHER.

And if women are there not just for ego boosts. Many want to hook up!
 

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Bars are for LOSERS and SLVTS don't go there if you don't expect to get hurt, if it isn't some B!TCH who hurts you, it will be the FIST of some idiot who drinks there. :yes:
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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IamtheAlphamale said:
I don't even get this. The bar game is so different. Out of the last like 7 numbers I've gotten I've never talked to any of the chicks yet. Whats up with the fakes? Like even the last chick smiled and laughed at everything I said. One thing I noticed though when on your hand its not super legible so that could help. But wtf? I'm giving them like 3-5 min probably and then fakes like crazy wtf?!?
I'd say 2 out of 3 bar # closes don't do anywhere.

Still, lately I've had alot better success rates doing this;

Take her cell phone, call yourself, and program your info into her cell. Maybe even take a pic and link it...(I need to do this last part next time)

So far, the flake factor has been reduced alot. It's infinitely better if a girl sees a name come up on her cell instead of an anonymous number.
 

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True most girls go for ego boost trip with their friends. So if your at the bar you gotta close with a one-night stand and get the number the next morning if she's hot... lol

How are you sure that the number she gave you is not fake? You can whip out your cell and check and also MAKE SURE she won't flake by saying "Is this the number you actually USE? Because I don't tolerate flaking/disrespect" if they say... anything besides a firm YES then it prob means she did it for ego boost or to get rid of you so you can just say "Oh well I'm not interested then bye" hand her number back and go meet another chick. If she's interested and tested you she'll chase you down, if not you just saved yourself time.
 

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Wow what kind of bars are you guys going to? I haven't had any trouble with women in bars, they almost always pull through.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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the latest article on the main page (by Thundercat) says that asking for #s should be kind of a last resort anyway...Maybe you should try doing something more substantive with them right away instead of just talking for a few minutes.
 

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I was just reading an article or tip where the guy was making a huge point to ANCHOR yourself in their mind.

It makes sense: drunk chicks won't remember you the next day. Or, they'll be off the "liquid courage" and get cold feet.

Taking a phone number and calling on the spot is good, so is taking a picture, but all that sort of fuss can be a mood killer. Instead, this dude was asking "Are you going to remember me tomorrow?" and "You won't forget about me because you're drunk, will you?" throughout the interaction. He must've done it like 5 times. Seems like a lot, but not to a drunk person when you think about it. The guy even went so far as to anchor himself with the friends: "You guys are fun, do you think she'll remember me when she's sober?" or "I hope to bump into you guys again, I hope she doesn't forget who I am when I call." I don't recall the exact verbage he used, but I'm sure this anchoring business is gold.
 

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^^^ Agreed. Though I prefer to play the numbers a bit more. When I go out to sarge, I want as many numbers as possible so I have something to do throughout the week at nights :)

So yeah, if it's a super hottie, I'll stay with her all night. Otherwise I want a kiss close, and a number, then NEXT!
 

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I already decided my mistakes. I basically am only talking to the girls for like 2 minutes. Thats generally not enough time. Also I don't do a chick the first day. Thats just dirty.
 

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Babnik said:
So HOW do you get her?

You think she gives a crap if you are with friends having fun and paying her NO attention, not giving her even a SINGLE glance? She won't care EITHER.

And if women are there not just for ego boosts. Many want to hook up!
You have to establish prizability first. She won't care if you haven't established that you're important.

I was talking to some drunk chick last night at the bar about signs. I told her she was born the wrong sign because she had a Libra ass. She laughed. Anyway, her way hotter friend who is probably an hb8 walks up, and I just turn to her and say, "When's your birthday?" She gives it to me, and I think for a second, "That would make you a........." and she says, "Taurus." And I just looked at her and said, "Ew! I could never date you." The look on this girl's face was priceless. I guarantee you no guy who looks like me had ever told her that. We talked for a few minutes about how I could be in a band with her since I make great music with Tauruses but just can't date them, and I asked her if she played anything. She said she played piano. She eventually said she had to go inside to see the rest of her friends to which I said, "Go ahead. Go ahead and hang out with your important people. Go away," and she was all super apologetic and promised she'd come back. We ended up leaving, though.

But it's all about turning the tables and establishing prizability. I'm still working on that, so I'm not the best person to listen to. But I'm noticing what works for some and trying to apply it.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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