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Getting an older woman

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firefighter1junkie

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This thread is not so much about getting an older woman. As I have already talked with her on the phone and been on our first night out. My question is when I text her she replys with real short matter-a-fact type of answers, should I take this as she is not in to me? Example... I asked her when was the next time we could go out and she could buy me a couple drinks? she replied "Anytime". There are other examples but I am not going to type them all out. She is only 38 I am only 36. Plus this is only my third person I have seen in like 17 yrs. I had been married for 14 and dated my exgirlfriend 3 yrs. So to say that the dating scene has changed is an understatement.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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happyguy said:
Usually, all it takes to bag an older woman is having a c*ck.
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but what if you don't have a c*ck. then what does it take to bag her?
 
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Uh, she's 2 years older. Usually when I see someone post a should i date this older person. I picture 7-10 years.


Get out of here
 
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Well even if I was over 40 I'd still consider a woman who's 38 an older woman. I consider 26 year old women older :whistle: .
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I consider 38 older, too, and I'm 43. I understand.

Reminds me of The Breakfast Club.

"Some of them, I just 'consider.' "
 
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LOL, ditto. WTH???
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Hey IqqI, your are required to include YOUR age in your profile. I cant see it !
After all if you want to be a mature man amongst men then you need to let us in on some more personal details - like your Visa # and your ATM PIN, and your height and age.. OH, don't forget to post your weight too - no lies about that one please.
Honesty and trust bonds us here on MM.
 
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firefighter1junkie said:
This thread is not so much about getting an older woman. As I have already talked with her on the phone and been on our first night out. My question is when I text her she replys with real short matter-a-fact type of answers, should I take this as she is not in to me? Example... I asked her when was the next time we could go out and she could buy me a couple drinks? she replied "Anytime". There are other examples but I am not going to type them all out. She is only 38 I am only 36. Plus this is only my third person I have seen in like 17 yrs. I had been married for 14 and dated my exgirlfriend 3 yrs. So to say that the dating scene has changed is an understatement.
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She is not an "older woman". She is YOUR age. Older for a man 30+ (but below 55) is a woman that is 5+ year older than him.
 
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Now if you are referring to "older woman" in the general term...then I would say 35+ could be considered "older woman". Older as in reference to me, would be a woman 5+ years older than me.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I dunno.....I'm 36 and i consider anything about 30 to be "older", haha
 
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firefighter1junkie said:
My question is when I text her she replys with real short matter-a-fact type of answers, should I take this as she is not in to me? Example... I asked her when was the next time we could go out and she could buy me a couple drinks? she replied "Anytime". There are other examples but I am not going to type them all out.
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Those short answers ?? What do they mean ? Do they mean that she is not INTO you and therefore not putting much effort into her replies - in other words she lacks the enthusiasm that a high IL would demonstrate ..Perhaps /

Or she may just be economical with words . Is she similarly reticent when you are together ??

Try this - send her a "one worder" text which is deliberately obscure or cryptic. If she has even moderate IL she will get back to you . Confusion seeks clarity .
If she does not attempt to get more info about this text then dump her - she is just along for the ride.
 
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How about giving her a call to see how she answers your invites??? That should give you a better indication as to weather her IL is high or not. If texting ain't working for you; change things up.

Women over 40 are older women regardless of how old the guy is.
 
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