Getting a Tan

[Rubato]

I live in a more northern region of the USA, and so for much of the year, it's not realistic for me to have a natural tan. I'm a medical student and very much put off with the idea of going to a tanning bed because I'd prefer not to develop Melanoma. So given those 2 restrictions, it sounds like my only option is to use one of those creams, gels, or spray to get a fake tan. I got this stuff from Clarins last week that was absolutely amazing and made me look like a bronze God... for about 5 days. The stuff was like 35 dollars after tax for a bottle that was good for maybe 1.1 uses. I can't afford to spend 35 bucks a week to maintain a tan.

Do you guys have any suggestions on something cheaper that won't make me look like a fresh orange? Because I look 10 times more amazing with a tan

 

[bigneil]

Next at Eleven: men who wear fake tanner.

Seriously: it's late-August so even in the North you should have natural tan right now.

Humans are supposed to get sunlight which produces Vitamin D - not slather on God-knows-what in the form of orange-colored makeup. Even sunscreen is toxic, nevermind fake tanner. Don't do it.

 

[irocknike23]

this is why i love cali

 

[PDubb75]

Take a couple cheap vacations to warm weather areas. That fake stuff sucks, and it's obvious. Not a good look. I'm in Chicago, so I'm with you. I have a damn good tan right now, so I'm hoping it lasts a while.

Watch out for some good really cheap airline deals. Southwest has them a lot...

 

[Rubato]

Take a couple cheap vacations to warm weather areas. That fake stuff sucks, and it's obvious. Not a good look. I'm in Chicago, so I'm with you. I have a damn good tan right now, so I'm hoping it lasts a while.

Watch out for some good really cheap airline deals. Southwest has them a lot...

Thank you. A real suggestion. +rep

 

[irocknike23]

take a vacation to cali, besides florida i dont think theres a state with better looking women and you still get your tan

 

[Zunder]

I live in a more northern region of the USA, and so for much of the year, it's not realistic for me to have a natural tan. I'm a medical student and very much put off with the idea of going to a tanning bed because I'd prefer not to develop Melanoma. So given those 2 restrictions, it sounds like my only option is to use one of those creams, gels, or spray to get a fake tan. I got this stuff from Clarins last week that was absolutely amazing and made me look like a bronze God... for about 5 days. The stuff was like 35 dollars after tax for a bottle that was good for maybe 1.1 uses. I can't afford to spend 35 bucks a week to maintain a tan.

Do you guys have any suggestions on something cheaper that won't make me look like a fresh orange? Because I look 10 times more amazing with a tan

Sun does not cause melanoma.
Crap diet, smoking, drinking, and no exercise casue melanoma.
We spend less time in the sun than in any time in human history - yet rates of melanoma are skyrocketing.
Don't believe the bullshyte fed to you from the media - tanning salons and the real sun used in moderation promote nothing but excellent health...and a nice tan,

 

[Rubato]

Sun does not cause melanoma.
Crap diet, smoking, drinking, and no exercise casue melanoma.
We spend less time in the sun than in any time in human history - yet rates of melanoma are skyrocketing.
Don't believe the bullshyte fed to you from the media - tanning salons and the real sun used in moderation promote nothing but excellent health...and a nice tan,

I really don't want to turn this thread in to a medical debate, but as a medical student, I can say with a lot of credibility that any exposure to UV radiation increases a person's risk of 3 distinct types of skin cancers. The specific UV spectrum emitted by tanning beds is toxic in a way that exceeds the toxicity of normal outdoor UV exposure (unless of course, you're under the ozone hole )

Understanding why this is requires a pretty decent understanding of genetics, why the p53 gene is important and how UV radiation can screw it up, how UV radiation induces other genetic mutations like CPD's and 6-4PPD's and a bunch of other nasty crap. It also greatly accelerates the rate of skin aging and wrinkling because it damages the connective tissue cells, and is one of the most efficient generators of oxygen free radicals, which are the most toxic free radicals for DNA.

If you want to know why this is, take a year of general chemistry, a year of organic chemistry, and a year of biochemistry. Take a genetics course and then maybe an advanced genetics course. Take a calculus based physics course, probably 1 year. And don't forget the year of general biology. You can skip all the labs if you would like.

Then, do a search on pubmed or EBSCO for the relevant scholarship on tanning beds and observe the results of several repeated double blind studies.

Americans have a terrible diet. They are slothful. They drink too much and abuse drugs. These things are all harmful and not necessarily conducive to good health. But a poor diet is about the only thing that has any type of remotely established link to the development of melanoma, and if that link does exist, it raises a person's chances above the general population's of contracting the disease very minutely.

 

[FairShake]

We spend less time in the sun than in any time in human history - yet rates of melanoma are skyrocketing.

And the Ozone layer is thinning and UV rays are stronger than ever.

As for the OP, dude, you are a DOCTOR. You should know better. Why risk looking like a catcher's mitt or DYING of skin cancer in the future for a little trim now? Plus you are a DOCTOR. Women will come your way no matter what. Chill the fvck out!

 

[Rubato]

And the Ozone layer is thinning and UV rays are stronger than ever.

As for the OP, dude, you are a DOCTOR. You should know better. Why risk looking like a catcher's mitt or DYING of skin cancer in the future for a little trim now? Plus you are a DOCTOR. Women will come your way no matter what. Chill the fvck out!

I'm not a doctor yet. Close. But not yet.

 

[Zunder]

Yea whatever ........ if you have a fried steak you are exposing yourself to carcinogens...and one of the most toxic subatances on earth is - OXYGEN.

There is not one study that shows moderate exposure to tanning beds has one iota of detrimental affect to human health - not one. Just like their is not one study that shows steroids are responsible for one death - ever - yet some "doctor" will cite some medical fancy language to try to convince the general dumb public otherwise.

By the way - if you are going to be a doctor - read this: Confessions of a Medical Heretic - Robert S. Mendelsohn M.D
http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Medical-Heretic-Robert-Mendelsohn/dp/0809241315

ON another tangent but related to Modern Medicine...Pasteur on his deathbed denounced modern medicine and his own germ theory: "The microbe (germ) is nothing. The terrain (milieu) is everything."

Socrates was right all along.

 

[Ease]

Social smoking is good to start conversations in bars and clubs.

Tanning is good to look awesome and get all the babes.


Risk of cancer is a small price to pay to live the way i do buddy.

 

[FairShake]

There is not one study that shows moderate exposure to tanning beds has one iota of detrimental affect to human health - not one.

Actually there are many, please do yourself and your skin a favor and google it.

Social smoking is good to start conversations in bars and clubs.

Tanning is good to look awesome and get all the babes.

You need smoking to start conversations? I can talk about literally hundreds of other things that don't involve cancer but maybe that's just me. I have pretty strong lungs and can converse well. And I look like sh!t with or without a tan. But I'd rather be ugly and healthy (with babes) than ugly and cancerous (probably with babes but still...)

There's more to life than trying to pick up. No need to destroy yourself to do so.

 

[bigneil]

I really don't want to turn this thread in to a medical debate, but as a medical student...

...as a medical student you take exclusively courses that have been funded by the Pharmaceutical Industry, who profits from those who get cancer. The last thing on Earth Big Pharma wants is for people to get sunlight which makes them healthy, so they promote this garbage about the Ozone layer and how we have to slather on poisonous sunscreen (made with Titanium) just to walk to our car.

As a medical student, you absolutely will NOT learn about diet, proper nutrition, vitamins, minerals or herbal supplements. You will learn only about how to cut out part of our anatomy and how to prescribe toxic drugs.

Meanwhile, Big Pharma aggressively prosecutes any company who makes FACTUAL claims about the health benefits of their products. Raw Almonds: outlawed. Raw Milk: outlawed. Pomegranate Juice: restricted (see Pom Wonderful lawsuit). It's nothing short of a travesty what the medical industry has done to our ability to stay healthy.

Let me guess: as a medical student you've learned the importance of taking vaccines (for which manufacturers are NO LONGER LIABLE FOR DAMAGES). And you learn the importance of taking Prescription drugs. And you recommend mammograms and run in the sham "Race for a cure" every October as your sponsors promote products painted with toxic artificial pink dyes known to cause cancer. I bet you ordered a pink bucket of KFC For the Cure Fried Chicken last October and felt like you were helping humanity.

Sun does not cause melanoma.
Crap diet, smoking, drinking, and no exercise casue melanoma.
We spend less time in the sun than in any time in human history - yet rates of melanoma are skyrocketing.
Don't believe the bullshyte fed to you from the media - tanning salons and the real sun used in moderation promote nothing but excellent health...and a nice tan,

Exactly. I've been getting heavy sun for the past 15 years (from age 26 to 41) and I have hardly any wrinkles because I drink distilled water, avoid trans-fats, eat a mostly organic diet, and avoid ANY vaccines or medicines.

On the contrary, sunscreen (loaded with toxic chemicals) causes cancer.

Why do people with a tan feel better and look better? Because they are healthier!

Sunlight helps you produce Vitamin D which cures 77% of ALL cancers!

 

[Rubato]

...as a medical student you take exclusively courses that have been funded by the Pharmaceutical Industry, who profits from those who get cancer. The last thing on Earth Big Pharma wants is for people to get sunlight which makes them healthy, so they promote this garbage about the Ozone layer and how we have to slather on poisonous sunscreen (made with Titanium) just to walk to our car.

As a medical student, you absolutely will NOT learn about diet, proper nutrition, vitamins, minerals or herbal supplements. You will learn only about how to cut out part of our anatomy and how to prescribe toxic drugs.

Meanwhile, Big Pharma aggressively prosecutes any company who makes FACTUAL claims about the health benefits of their products. Raw Almonds: outlawed. Raw Milk: outlawed. Pomegranate Juice: restricted (see Pom Wonderful lawsuit). It's nothing short of a travesty what the medical industry has done to our ability to stay healthy.

Let me guess: as a medical student you've learned the importance of taking vaccines (for which manufacturers are NO LONGER LIABLE FOR DAMAGES). And you learn the importance of taking Prescription drugs. And you recommend mammograms and run in the sham "Race for a cure" every October as your sponsors promote products painted with toxic artificial pink dyes known to cause cancer. I bet you ordered a pink bucket of KFC For the Cure Fried Chicken last October and felt like you were helping humanity.



Exactly. I've been getting heavy sun for the past 15 years (from age 26 to 41) and I have hardly any wrinkles because I drink distilled water, avoid trans-fats, eat a mostly organic diet, and avoid ANY vaccines or medicines.

On the contrary, sunscreen (loaded with toxic chemicals) causes cancer.

Why do people with a tan feel better and look better? Because they are healthier!

Sunlight helps you produce Vitamin D which cures 77% of ALL cancers!

I will agree that the modern medical community could benefit from extending legitimate scientific research in to the homeopathic realm. But what it sounds like you're describing to me is a concept called vitalism, and that's total garbage! It makes no sense from a scientific or logical point of view.

At risk of sounding like a d$ck now - I've taken 7 years now of science courses from 2 major accredited universities. I'm studying scholarship that's been promoted from private and public endowments, public and private grants, private funding, and public funding. It drives me bananas when someone who does not have the proper knowledge base to have a discussion like this tries to debate this issue.

The funding situation for pharm drug studies is ridiculous, but regardless of what the results researchers get from their studies, the FDA still mandates a chemical description of the drug and a biochemically sound mechanism of action. So, Lexapro for example, got most of its clinical trial funding from the company that produces it. Go ahead and argue about whether it works. At the end of the day though, we know what Lexapro is chemically and we know the neurotransmitters it is modulating, for better or for worse.

That is not true of just about any "natural" product (which is just as much a biochemical as any pharmaceutical drug... the only difference is that we know the chemical structure of the pharm chemicals - we usually haven't identified all of the chemical structures present in "natural" chemicals)

You have obviously not studied immunology either. I have a 1500 page or so book on the topic that was written by a a Nobel Prize winning biophysiologist with no financial or occupational connection to the pharm industry. If you'd like the title, I can give it to you, but you should have a good background in chemistry, cell biology, genetics, ect, stuff most people don't know.

That vaccine mythology you speak of is crap, sir.

 

[d!ckmojo]

If you have connections in Medicine, try to hook yourself up into a research study for that new drug "Melanotan II". It will tan you up awesome dude.

 

[Konada]

Its a proven fact that UV radiation (even gamma rays) can induce gene mutation within our genome. If you're unlucky enough that p53 tumor supressor gene gets mutated then you'll probably develop cancer. Basically cancer is a disease due to numerous mutations within our genes, therefore prolonged UV exposure = more mutations which may lead to cancer. Best to get a natural tan bro. I liken tanning beds to magic pills that allow one fat loss in a short time.