"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Getting a girl you 'know' could be the one

Stud No1

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Hey guys,

long time reader, first time poster. But i'm a DJ, well certainly closer to one than the average chump :)

Anyway, my problem is as follows.


Im developing a cynical case of oneitis even though im only out of a LTR of 3 years for 3 months and im having the time of my life. I know i know, not ideal, but read one please

Dont get me wrong ive been seeing other girls, but deep down i can't help but feel she could well be that one. Obviously i dont wish to run into anything, I dont think id be ready for another LTR relationship for a fair while yet but i would like to get some sort of relationship of the ground i guess.

Anyway, basically this girl liked me right before i started into my other relationship, 3 years ago. Shes hot and pretty much a 'nice girl'. After the problems ive been through with a more wild girl, i know for a fact she's the type of girl i want, i regret not hooking up 3 years about but hey who knows we mightnt have gotten anywhere back then. Timing was the only thing that cost us getting together 3 years ago; i was already involved with my eventual gf.

Now 3 years later she's still single, or at least is now. We seen each other occasionally over this time and i told her about my breakup about a week after it happened. A few weeks later im out and i see her. She's a bit drunk and pretty much brings up 3 years ago. I didnt make a move or anything, i guess i respect her too much/dont want to mess things us (usually id go straight ahead but she's different...shes hot but not the type of girl that goes with many guys). She texts me that night saying 'nice seeing you 2nite'

Game on, eh guys? I was so happy.


But since then im not so sure. Ive texted her several times and her messages are quite dull. Rarely does she even ask a question. The only time she's texted me first since was the next day of the night about saying sorry if she was a bit drunk last night. She's admitted to me before she's a bit shy and sometimes lacks confidence, but surely id expect atleast a bit more effort via texts?? I mean, the other girls texting me at the minute are full of banter, but her's are literally boring. If i didnt like her so much id lose interest on that merit alone. Is this just a case of a ****ty texter? I dont remember her for her great texting skills but these are poor. I mean, they arent really bad, somewhere in between- not very encouraging for what i've got in mind

I seen her out last weekend and got a nice response, but then outside, atleast in my mind she was a bit disinterested. Maybe im reading too much into things on that last bit, i cant be sure.

I texted her again the next day and she replied a few times but, yet again was the first person to stop texting, somewhat to my annoyance. Surely if she was interested she'd not always do this? Basically this is the only thing thats giving me negative vibes. She talks about me to my sister and has started waving at my mum lol.

I texted her today because i thought i drove past her, she replies in a decent enough message but again, no questions whatsoever. I had already planned not to reply to her reply, especially not now. Ima wait and see if she texts me maybe this weekend. Im not so confident though.


So guys, whats the gameplan?

Let it run for another while...see how it pans out when i see her out and see if she texts me again? Or do i need to be abit more hands on by keeping texting her say every week to keep a dialogue. Should i be expected to make 70% of the effort? I reckon, if she liked me before then why not now?! Although she's being a bit more of a challenge than id like lol.

Ill say again, shes different than other girls ive worked with. More hard to work out, but i know if i can get her she'd be worth it. I dont think a direct approach right as this minute is the best. Since she's important to me i feel i need to build it up (shes that type of girl imo) to give myself optimum chances of success. If i blow it out of the water now i figure that could be it for good




HELP fellow DJ's



Sorry about the long post but i tried to describe the scene as best as poss.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Dont text her until she iniates contact with a txt. until then, dont
 

Stud No1

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thanks ostepop


more comments would be really appreciated guys.
 

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the texting has to stop.... i suggest you make your interest in her clear and then wait for her to bite.... either that or try direct...

either way you gotta make a move first.. (obviously) perhaps she just doesnt want to be the rebound .. as she knows u just got out of a long term relationship...
 

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sav said:
the texting has to stop.... i suggest you make your interest in her clear and then wait for her to bite.... either that or try direct...

either way you gotta make a move first.. (obviously) perhaps she just doesnt want to be the rebound .. as she knows u just got out of a long term relationship...

ok.

i think my interest in her in pretty implicit in me texting her.

but yes, i agree. Her situation is that she was maybe embarrassed the last time she made an advance for her only to see me with my gf a few weeks later. i guess that makes it extra sensitive.

i can guess she doesnt want to over commit again which places extra onus on me



GAME ON BROTHERS.

im gona try play this one better than ive ever did in my life. im thinking, not text her until she texts me as a first way of testing the waters. If she doesnt text me within a few weeks ill re-think things and perhaps more to a more direct approach.

thing is, i know one key rule. a DJ must have patience.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Stud No1

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p.s- i admit i cant get this ***** out of my head. DAMMIT
 

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Is she one of those chicks that just doesn't know what to say sometimes? bring it up jokingly in light conversation some time(neg) and see what she has to say for herself, In any case she's probably just as nervous as you are.

Like what Ostepop said, I wouldn't text her until she initiates contact.

Next time, try to be more assertive with this HB after the initial contact on the phone starts again. And make sure to escalate the next time your together. And don't do what some !d!ot did on another thread a pass her your phone.

DONT let this be another case of oneitis...

Happy h(c)unting...
 

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ive never failed in a large scale operation before, i dont intend to start now guys :)

my intention is to be much more forward in our next physical meeting at a bar or wherever. Ill then go from there. If shes lukewarm after my subtle advances i might have to play the patience game, maybe introduce an element of gandi (sp?) even. But we'll see how it fares out.

Im thinking texting wont be an overly successful medium between us at all, but right now im pretty sure a voice conversation would be even worst for her. yep guys, we've got a difficult one on our hands.
 
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What are you doing with this text nonsense? Ridiculous.

Call her and ask her out.
 

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Yeah bro, talk to her over the phone, there's only so much that can be conveyed through texting, I found that out the hard way.
But it's like you said , see how it pans out...
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Are your texts ****y and funny? Why do you assume she is a 'nice girl'? Why do you talk of 'the one'?

No contact for a week ortwo, until she texts you next - then wait a day or two. Tell her you can read her like a book, that her nice girl act isn't fooling anybody, and you and her have 'unfinished business.' Might be too late if you have established the frame in a polite AFC way (tell me you haven't).
 

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yes, my texts are ****y and funny. but she gives me VERY little to work with. as i said, no questions or anything.

i duno, i think i maybe jumped the mark by saying 'the one'. she's just been the all elusive one for a while now, thats all.

we'll see what happens but my eagerness have dwindled alittle, maybe it will reignite when i see her out some night. i plan to being alot more direct the next time.

im doing really well with women lately im not gona waste time on any particular one that isnt going to reciprocate.
 
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