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i dunno man if they work but 1.)they are fun 2.)i got the idea from westside barbell, that speed training compliments the normal lifting, unfortunately the only exercise where i dont have joint problems or shoulder problems while doing it with speed is the decline bp. 3.)i read an article that the biceps consists of mostly slow twitches, but the triceps of 60% fast twitches, so it would be best for arm training to hit biceps slowly(i do negative reps who take like 10sec), and the triceps fast.


well i dont know if it's really working but i do know that my arm did grow fast as never before when i started doing these special exercises slow/fast. but could be other factors, too, of course.
 

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3.)i read an article that the biceps consists of mostly slow twitches, but the triceps of 60% fast twitches, so it would be best for arm training to hit biceps slowly(i do negative reps who take like 10sec), and the triceps fast.
Pff. That's thinking too much mate. Lifting is NOT rocket science, you shouldn't have to think about it, and only really concentrate whenever you're in the gym (aside from the admittedly tedious eating).

My way of thinking is this: when you can do 75kg skullcrushers for 20 reps rest-paused, you won't be worrying about your tricep size, at any speed.

Successfully progressing in weight in a controlled fashion over time will make you big, not whether you do anything fast or slow.

Along with the 2g protein per lb, another principle of mine is ALWAYS a slow, controlled negative moment. The magic is in the negative mate, doing it fast just defeats the object.

All in my opinion.
 

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i get what your saying dude but i do it not only for maybe better gains but mostly for more fun, it's just more exciting for me to lift something more slow and something speedy instead of doing all exercises the same way.


yeah, im improving my form on all exercises currently, going slower on the negative(before it was pretty uncontrolled and fast on the negative). of course not like 10sec like biceps curl
 

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If it's fun then that's cool! :)

of course not like 10sec like biceps curl
Ehh, the actual time doesn't matter at all. When I say controlled, I mean that you should (on most of your reps, maybe not the last couple) be able during the negative, to stop at any point during the lowering the weight, and start curling it back up - of course you won't do this in practice, but that's the measure of control I mean.

Basically, for a bicep curl you don't want gravity doing the negative for you. :cool:
 

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Thought I'd give this post a bump since it probably doesn't see the light of day anymore.

I consistently see guy's on this board start a log and then after a week it is never seen again.

I also see guys giving great advice, you know who they are, and it is ignored.

I see the SAME beginners asking the SAME questions month in month out.

So I thought maybe I'd give this a bump, maybe it'll help at least one of those guys who have been spinning their wheels for the past 9 months.

Quagmire
 

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Something I've seen here of late (and I dunno how long it's been going on) is a trend of wanting perfect bodies and not wanting to put an ounce of effort, patience or consistency into it. Stuff like "disillusioned with bulking up" when they've only been doing it for a week. Or "I want a nice body but don't want to hit the weights". Or "I want hardcore gains, yesterday." Shiat like that, and I'm sure I could find some more examples but that's not the point of this post.

(I'm not totally familiar with the rules of this forum, if this counts as 'flaming' and is not allowed then please ban me, because I sure as hell intended to flame some of you - some, not all)

All you slackers and dreamers pull yourselves together, and ask yourselves just how badly you want to improve your bodies/health/fitness.

We live in a day and age where a phonecall or mouse click gets us nearly anything we want - from prostitutes to parma ham. And no, I'm not saying this is a bad thing as such (I happen to like parma ham), but it does tend to put people in the "spoonfeed me" mindset. Like they think they can drop 40lbs of fat or gain 40lbs of muscle overnight. Wake up and smell the morning protein drink - it ain't happening. There's two things in my view, that you can't change about yourselves without a huge deal of hard work: your mind and your body. BOTH can be improved to levels you'd perhaps never dreamed of, but you won't get there with the current mentality.

Talking from a point of view of bodily improvement, let me tell you that bodybuilding (or fitness in general really) isn't unlike a career. You get in early and stick to it meticulously, so in later life you're a great deal better off than people who didn't. Most of you guys are young (teens) so this is the prime time to get your attitude straight and learn what works and what doesn't. I'm not even going to go into specifics as regards nutrition and training because most people haven't got the mentality to listen to me. Most here are brainwashed by the absolute shiat posted on bbing.com or Flex or wherever - and yes, so was I when I was young, and wasted lots of time following those methods and getting nowhere, and that's time I lost which I'll never get back.

You know what physical improvement is? It's a fight against yourselves. The body strives for the comfort zone of 150-180lbs with a nice 15-20% bodyfat and will do everything in its power to stay there. This is what you've got to beat. And it is a bloody hard fight to win, let me tell you.

Some people are fortunate enough to be born beautiful - pinups like Orlando Bloom or Johnny Depp or anyone else you'd like to mention. These guys are made for life, because they were exceptionally lucky and will make millions just be smiling in commercials or starring in movies which'll be hits just because those guys are in them (not criticising them as actors, they're definitely not the worst I've seen - we're talking looks here). But the key word is EXCEPTIONALLY.

In much the same way, pro bodybuilders are few and far between - people like Paul Dillett and Flex Wheeler who can eat twice a day, train with light weights and still grow are genetic freaks, fair play to them. They can do their own thing and succeed.

People like this are like one in a million. No-one here (including myself) is anywhere near that genetically gifted, either in looks or muscular development potential. But how many pro bodybuilders didn't have to train brutally hard or actors have to rehearse like demons to get where they are now? They're genetically gifted above the rest of us and yet they still work their arses off - HOW THE HELL ARE US AVERAGE GUYS/GIRLS GOING TO GET ANYWHERE BY NOT BUSTING OUR BALLS/BOOBS FOR MONTHS OR EVEN YEARS?

There ARE people here who show the right dedication and work ethic - Lifeforce, Double, MindOverMatter (if only he would stop having seizures at the thought of more than 1g per lb target bodyweight - joking mate), and you can see from their pics that they worked damned hard for their physiques. They weren't born like that at all, they paid their dues and worked at it, didn't miss meals, ground out reps by sheer determination, cried, sweated and bled, and are reaping the benefits now (either by virtue of looking good or getting girls or whatever they want). Kudos to these guys for their dedication to the cause - even though I might not agree with their methods, I can't fault their willpower.

And that's just it, you've got to WILL yourself to improve. It is, appropriately enough, mind over matter - beating your body and making it do what YOU want it to do (grow muscle, burn fat, whatever) because it sure as hell doesn't want to be 250lbs shredded to the bone.

There is no magic pill - and no, steroids aren't the answer either, as so many people think. It's a huge misconception. Here's an interesting stat for you (and I'm sorry, for the life of me I can't remember the source) - 1 in 300 people in America (that's 1 in 300 of the general populace, NOT male bodybuilders) have admitted to taking steroids. Are 1 in 300 people huge muscular monstrosities? No they aren't. Pros take steroids when they've reached the peak of their natural genetic potential and can't progress without chemical assistance - and guess what, they don't just sit at home, watch TV and inject themselves every few hours, they train even MORE brutally and eat even MORE to make the most of their drugs.

I could write more but it's time for me to eat (I'm starving), so just you guys think about how badly you want to get better bodies, get your attitudes sorted out and THEN think about your diet, training and supplements - at which point I'll be happy to help out however I can. Lack of knowledge is perfectly forgiveable, lack of dedication or desire is your own problem.
Exactly, so why do you flame me when I said these easy 2-3 day per week low volume routines you advise with no intensity methods are a cop out and for real gains you need to train more, more volume and more intense? Proof is in the pudding. Meh.

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Exactly, so why do you flame me when I said these easy 2-3 day per week low volume routines you advise with no intensity methods are a cop out and for real gains you need to train more, more volume and more intense? Proof is in the pudding. Meh.

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That post was made in 2005. You joined 2007.
 

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That post was made in 2005. You joined 2007.
Well this post generalises his philosophy to training, but of recent in threads he's been saying that I'm wrong and he's right, but what he said of late contradicts this thread completely. Unless he thinks those easy routines still classify as ball-busting.

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It's only as easy as you make it.
It's all relative, if you do less reps your going to be doing greater weight.
Bodybuilders, powerlifters, and olympic lifters all give it everything they have. One is not working harder then the next, just differently.

Everyone is flaming you because you're a prick. Warboss has helped many people grow/get strong/lose weight and you come along and try to tell us it's all wrong.

I've tried all that stupid supper, assisted, dropsets at 20 different angles. But only gained actual weight/strength when flowing Warboss Alex's routine.
 

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I've tried all that stupid supper, assisted, dropsets at 20 different angles.
Yes that's probably why you weren't gaining then.

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Exactly, so why do you flame me when I said these easy 2-3 day per week low volume routines you advise with no intensity methods are a cop out and for real gains you need to train more, more volume and more intense? Proof is in the pudding. Meh.

MM
Hang on...How is Warboss Alex contradicting his philosophy in his post? He may mean 'hard work' to be 5 sets of 4 leg exercises, done until the BURRNNNNNN kicks in, he means 'hard work' to be 2 heavy sets of 5 in the squat rack, followed by a HARD 1x20 rest-paused. Why is that not working hard?

So what are these real gains you're talking about? We've got people sat here that are living proof that low-volume routines work. They're all over the place. There's plenty at ironaddicts etc.
 

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Hang on...How is Warboss Alex contradicting his philosophy in his post? He may mean 'hard work' to be 5 sets of 4 leg exercises, done until the BURRNNNNNN kicks in, he means 'hard work' to be 2 heavy sets of 5 in the squat rack, followed by a HARD 1x20 rest-paused. Why is that not working hard?

So what are these real gains you're talking about? We've got people sat here that are living proof that low-volume routines work. They're all over the place. There's plenty at ironaddicts etc.
Most big guys I know did intense high volume 4/5 day splits. If you're on about guys looking ok after 2-3 years, that's another matter.

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That's all very well, but how many guys in your average gym doing high volume routines are ACTUALLY BIG ANYWAY? Man, look around you. Most guys in the average gym do volume routines. But most aren't very big. Sure, you can tell they train because they have a pair of arms on them that are bigger than average, but not many look strong or big in reality.
 

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Most big guys I know did intense high volume 4/5 day splits. If you're on about guys looking ok after 2-3 years, that's another matter.

MM
The biggest and strongest are the ones who can usually handle higher volume and frequency...we know this. Many simply can't handle high volume and/or training 5 days a week.

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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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That's all very well, but how many guys in your average gym doing high volume routines are ACTUALLY BIG ANYWAY? Man, look around you. Most guys in the average gym do volume routines. But most aren't very big. Sure, you can tell they train because they have a pair of arms on them that are bigger than average, but not many look strong or big in reality.
Yes but the reason they aren't big is because they aren't dedicated. They aren't eating 6 meals a day, training 4/5 days per week solid and making strength and weight increase a priority. Most people don't look good because they don't train and eat good enough. The same applies to those who train twice a week and then go on the lash at the weekend. Doing some squats and bench won't save you, they aren't magic pills. I have seen dedicated guys doing splits with volume be big, and seen dedicated guys doing basic stuff and lower volume work be strong and not look so great. Even if they have size they have weak areas due to the basic routines etc. They then go on splits etc. to fix lagging arms/shoulders or whatever.

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The biggest and strongest are the ones who can usually handle higher volume and frequency...we know this. Many simply can't handle high volume and/or training 5 days a week.

Quagmire
Maybe not but that still doesn't warrant undertraining and not pushing one self. Overtraining is a superb word for lazy guys to do easy routines and say not to do more because it's 'overtraining'. From experience it's very hard to overtrain. Like I did 5 days weights and 2 days cardio solid for 4 months and then finally at that point I took 3 days rest. Then hitting back at it and I'm fine.

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Maybe not but that still doesn't warrant undertraining and not pushing one self. Overtraining is a superb word for lazy guys to do easy routines and say not to do more because it's 'overtraining'. From experience it's very hard to overtrain. Like I did 5 days weights and 2 days cardio solid for 4 months and then finally at that point I took 3 days rest. Then hitting back at it and I'm fine.

MM
You have some good genes then.

Remember though that not everyone can make it to the gym the optimal amount. I'm on a 2 day and know I can handle more, probably could do a 4 day, but life gets in the way.

When I am at the gym though I put ****ing everything into it, believe me, nothing makes me feel better. Sounds sad I know, but it is the truth. Smashing through PR's and doing weights you couldn't a month ago is fantastic.

This is a hobby, not a profession. As such certain sacrifices must be made. I wholeheartedly agree however that know one has any business being in the gym if they are not going to work at it (assuming they are there for results-who isn't?). You could progress on a one day a week if you had to, NOT OPTIMAL, but definitely possible.

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You have some good genes then.

Remember though that not everyone can make it to the gym the optimal amount. I'm on a 2 day and know I can handle more, probably could do a 4 day, but life gets in the way.

When I am at the gym though I put ****ing everything into it, believe me, nothing makes me feel better. Sounds sad I know, but it is the truth. Smashing through PR's and doing weights you couldn't a month ago is fantastic.

This is a hobby, not a profession. As such certain sacrifices must be made. I wholeheartedly agree however that know one has any business being in the gym if they are not going to work at it (assuming they are there for results-who isn't?). You could progress on a one day a week if you had to, NOT OPTIMAL, but definitely possible.

Quagmire
Yes I'd agree with that. It just makes me cringe that whenever someone suggests intensity methods or more days that overtraining is brought up. As if most people could train such balls to the wall even with good diet/rest that their body halts and time must be taken off. That's hard to do, it's not done accidentally as some people might think.

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