General consensus on this "looksmaxxing" trend

[revannt]

Hey, as some of you probably know, this "looksmaxxing" trend has gone mainstream and I have been relatively black and red pilled for a while. I've been doing a lot of reserach and thinking and I was wondering what you guys think the general consensus is regarding this trend blowing up? Do you think it will change anything in the long term as to self-improvement? Especially for men themselves?

 

[Clockwerk50]

As I said in the post below, if women can get breast implants, face fillers, and nose jobs, then men should feel just as free to enhance their appearance to level the playing field (e.g., hair transplants, chin implants, Botox, minoxidil for beard growth, teeth whitening, etc.).

In general, men should care about how they present themselves to the world and their image.

I just had a hair transplant, ask me anything

Cause driving a cabrio is great but the full experience requires wind and hair on your head...

www.sosuave.net

 

[Hamurabimbi]

The rewards in life for being good looking are truly staggering. The difference between a 5 snd an 8 isn't linear. It is logarithmic. With that being said. It's probably worth getting looksmax'd up to surgery. So. 'Softmaxxing'. Surgery is expensive, risky and painful.

 

[Prepostereax]

It's not a new phenomenon.
100 years ago, the ultimate expression of manly courage was the dueling scar.

Academic fencing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fencing schools literally evolved around fabricating this look, with "duels" devolving to standing still whilst wracking each other about the face, until blood was drawn.
Everything else was padded, especially around eyes neck and shoulders.

Famous proponents of this look include Otto "the most dangerous man in Europe" Skorzeny

 

[revannt]

ah i see, thanks for the responses, i guess another way of putting this is do you guys think this will have a drastic impact in terms of men's looks and the way they do things, or will it be like the gym wave in the 2010's (around zyzz era) where like the trend is going to die down in a couple months or so?

im just worried that the market itself is going to inflate by the time im out in the dating market and actively pursuing girls. Ive been lurking both this, mpmd subreddits, and other, separate blackpilled sites for a while and ive been improving my looks quite a bit, its only recently that i decided to make it an account jfl and actively tried pursuing this stuff extremely seriously.

either way doesn't change the fact that i have to work on myself regardless of what the market will look like in the next couple of years

 

[plumber]

the trend is old and will last forever.

just have looks good enough so that its not a negative. most men can do that. gym, clean, groomed, and learn a combat style (it changes your posture). don't just think looks, also impression.

that guy looks good, and did you see him dance....

 

[pipeman84]

As I said in the post below, if women can get breast implants, face fillers, and nose jobs, then men should feel just as free to enhance their appearance to level the playing field (e.g., hair transplants, chin implants, Botox, minoxidil for beard growth, teeth whitening, etc.).

In general, men should care about how they present themselves to the world and their image.

I just had a hair transplant, ask me anything

Cause driving a cabrio is great but the full experience requires wind and hair on your head...

www.sosuave.net

Yeah, if one's goal is to become a toy boy.
If the goal is to have sex with attractive women, then all you need is money.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

ah i see, thanks for the responses, i guess another way of putting this is do you guys think this will have a drastic impact in terms of men's looks and the way they do things, or will it be like the gym wave in the 2010's (around zyzz era) where like the trend is going to die down in a couple months or so?

im just worried that the market itself is going to inflate by the time im out in the dating market and actively pursuing girls. Ive been lurking both this, mpmd subreddits, and other, separate blackpilled sites for a while and ive been improving my looks quite a bit, its only recently that i decided to make it an account jfl and actively tried pursuing this stuff extremely seriously.

either way doesn't change the fact that i have to work on myself regardless of what the market will look like in the next couple of years

Very, very few men are handsome. As long as one is a 5.5, that's probably enough to get some. Most competition are the 5's.

 

[revannt]

maybe because im younger but where Im from (the midwest), i feel like competition is a lot higher at least in the towns i am in. like people here are super tall and i swear they are quite attractive. I feel like I am a 3-4 at best and these guys are pretty good looking themselves in some way.

 

[revannt]

Yeah, if one's goal is to become a toy boy.
If the goal is to have sex with attractive women, then all you need is money.

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i mean though do these women geniunely love the man they are with though? like whats the counter argument to that.

 

[revannt]

maybe because im younger but where Im from (the midwest), i feel like competition is a lot higher at least in the towns i am in. like people here are super tall and i swear they are quite attractive. I feel like I am a 3-4 at best and these guys are pretty good looking themselves in some way.

oh i guess my follow up to this do you think the inflation of the dating market is going to go up? Do you think anything to this regard will happen?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

oh i guess my follow up to this do you think the inflation of the dating market is going to go up? Do you think anything to this regard will happen?

Maybe. But it is best to assume it is.

 

[revannt]

Maybe. But it is best to assume it is.

in what sense? like people will/are becoming more aware?

 

[Clockwerk50]

Yeah, if one's goal is to become a toy boy.
If the goal is to have sex with attractive women, then all you need is money.

This is just an oversimplification, a tangent, and a misrepresentation of my argument. My point was simply that men shouldn’t feel stigmatized for improving their appearance.

ah i see, thanks for the responses, i guess another way of putting this is do you guys think this will have a drastic impact in terms of men's looks and the way they do things, or will it be like the gym wave in the 2010's (around zyzz era) where like the trend is going to die down in a couple months or so?

im just worried that the market itself is going to inflate by the time im out in the dating market and actively pursuing girls. Ive been lurking both this, mpmd subreddits, and other, separate blackpilled sites for a while and ive been improving my looks quite a bit, its only recently that i decided to make it an account jfl and actively tried pursuing this stuff extremely seriously.

either way doesn't change the fact that i have to work on myself regardless of what the market will look like in the next couple of years

I think you need to elaborate on what types of things you’re referring to. As long as you don’t do things that are permanent or a pain to reverse, like tattoos, plucking your eyebrows, extreme/cheap cosmetic procedures, or anything that drastically alters your natural look, you should be fine.

Sadly, Father Time is undefeated, so in a couple of years you’ll start to show your age regardless of what you do through your tastes, vicabulary, hairline, energy level, and the way you carry yourself. I already hear about things like the “67,” “Skibidi Toilet,” mumble rap, or broccoli haircut trends, and they’re already far beyond my maturity level.

maybe because im younger but where Im from (the midwest), i feel like competition is a lot higher at least in the towns i am in. like people here are super tall and i swear they are quite attractive. I feel like I am a 3-4 at best and these guys are pretty good looking themselves in some way.

The only advice I can give is to adjust to your environment, don’t let time pass you by, be aware of the type of women you can realistically attract based on your SMV, and consider the law of diminishing marginal returns. For example, if you spend months chasing minor appearance tweaks that only give tiny gains, you’re wasting time you could invest in bigger-impact areas like money, education, social skills, experience hooking up with women that want you, and/or confidence.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

in what sense? like people will/are becoming more aware?

More are looksmaxing.

 

[revannt]

This is just an oversimplification, a tangent, and a misrepresentation of my argument. My point was simply that men shouldn’t feel stigmatized for improving their appearance.



I think you need to elaborate on what types of things you’re referring to. As long as you don’t do things that are permanent or a pain to reverse, like tattoos, plucking your eyebrows, extreme/cheap cosmetic procedures, or anything that drastically alters your natural look, you should be fine.

Sadly, Father Time is undefeated, so in a couple of years you’ll start to show your age regardless of what you do through your tastes, vicabulary, hairline, energy level, and the way you carry yourself. I already hear about things like the “67,” “Skibidi Toilet,” mumble rap, or broccoli haircut trends, and they’re already far beyond my maturity level.


The only advice I can give is to adjust to your environment, don’t let time pass you by, be aware of the type of women you can realistically attract based on your SMV, and consider the law of diminishing marginal returns. For example, if you spend months chasing minor appearance tweaks that only give tiny gains, you’re wasting time you could invest in bigger-impact areas like money, education, social skills, experience hooking up with women that want you, and/or confidence.

ah ok, quick question to add onto this, lets say each catergory of the things you mentioned is out of 10 in terms of rating. What would be the rating I would need in each of those catergories to be obtain a STR or ONS? like i feel like with ONS its mainly based on looks and confidence and maybe social skills, but would I need to be a 10 in ALL of those in order to attract a pretty girl?

 

[Velasco]

would I need to be a 10 in ALL of those in order to attract a pretty girl?

work as hard as u can to reach a 10 and you will attract not one but many pretty girls. as far as social skills, don’t be retarded and overly thirsty to convert those leads to lays

 

[Clockwerk50]

ah ok, quick question to add onto this, lets say each catergory of the things you mentioned is out of 10 in terms of rating. What would be the rating I would need in each of those catergories to be obtain a STR or ONS? like i feel like with ONS its mainly based on looks and confidence and maybe social skills, but would I need to be a 10 in ALL of those in order to attract a pretty girl?

A couple of things.

1. There are roughly four variables that contribute to your overall value in the dating marketplace: looks, money, status, and personality/social skills.

2. In general, women are the gatekeepers of sex, while men are the gatekeepers of relationships. In other words, a woman usually has to want to sleep with you first, but she may also hope that sex leads to keeping you around longer-term. Some women give it up faster because they think it increases the chances of turning the interaction into something more. That’s the simplified version.

3. Different women value different things depending on their stage of life. Younger women often prioritize looks and confidence more, while older women may value money, stability, or status. Some women who already have those things may prioritize personality and companionship.

With all of this in mind, and since you are young, I’d try to work on your looks. Also, get a car (it doesn’t have to be expensive, just decent - tint its windows), getting good at something, or being involved in social scene like DJing, promoting events, sports, and clubs will naturally increase your visibility and social status. Once you put yourself in those environments, women will start noticing you and opportunities will come more naturally.

 

[revannt]

A couple of things.

1. There are roughly four variables that contribute to your overall value in the dating marketplace: looks, money, status, and personality/social skills.

2. In general, women are the gatekeepers of sex, while men are the gatekeepers of relationships. In other words, a woman usually has to want to sleep with you first, but she may also hope that sex leads to keeping you around longer-term. Some women give it up faster because they think it increases the chances of turning the interaction into something more. That’s the simplified version.

3. Different women value different things depending on their stage of life. Younger women often prioritize looks and confidence more, while older women may value money, stability, or status. Some women who already have those things may prioritize personality and companionship.

With all of this in mind, and since you are young, I’d try to work on your looks. Also, get a car (it doesn’t have to be expensive, just decent - tint its windows), getting good at something, or being involved in social scene like DJing, promoting events, sports, and clubs will naturally increase your visibility and social status. Once you put yourself in those environments, women will start noticing you and opportunities will come more naturally.

Thank you so much. For ref im around 20 years of age (in college, big uni) and I guess from the way you are framing it, I feel sort of more confident knowing that older woman prioritize more characteristics rather than just looks (I will try me absolute hardest to improve them in any way possible, including surgery, but I feel as though at some point im going to be capped especially in terms of height as I am only 5'10, so I'm looking at this from a long term perspective and I think its easier to obtain certain other characteristics that you mentioned not only just looks)

I guess you answered it already but as for looks, but do younger woman only prioritize looks for hooking up? Like how much does it play into getting girls for hooking up and short-term relationships? How much does confidence play? I was thinking of getting into the djing before as well, do you think thats a strong method to meet girls or are there other ways that I should consider

 

[revannt]

A couple of things.

1. There are roughly four variables that contribute to your overall value in the dating marketplace: looks, money, status, and personality/social skills.

2. In general, women are the gatekeepers of sex, while men are the gatekeepers of relationships. In other words, a woman usually has to want to sleep with you first, but she may also hope that sex leads to keeping you around longer-term. Some women give it up faster because they think it increases the chances of turning the interaction into something more. That’s the simplified version.

3. Different women value different things depending on their stage of life. Younger women often prioritize looks and confidence more, while older women may value money, stability, or status. Some women who already have those things may prioritize personality and companionship.

With all of this in mind, and since you are young, I’d try to work on your looks. Also, get a car (it doesn’t have to be expensive, just decent - tint its windows), getting good at something, or being involved in social scene like DJing, promoting events, sports, and clubs will naturally increase your visibility and social status. Once you put yourself in those environments, women will start noticing you and opportunities will come more naturally.

Also in general, as I get older, are looks as still of an important factor into getting woman when things like status and money are starting to be apart of the picture more? How does the landscape change particularly, at least in your experience?

Also I've been thinking about it for a while, but in regards to point #2 that you are making I feel like that applies more towards like the 25-29 age range as that's typically the range that you will see woman start looking for long-term relationships right? I don't typically hear or see like woman pursuing men for hookups that are close to my age at least with the thought in there head that "oh yeah, im going to have sex with him and hopefully he might stay long term because he has a lot of money". It's more so hes good looking and confident, but I think I mentioned this before but is that enough to stay in the game once you start dating woman around the 25-29 age range lol