"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I just got back from the club with one of my friends who is the best natural I've ever met. This guy back in high school took two dates, TWO dates to prom, both of them were 20 and he was only 17 and they were both HB8 and bi. He literally talks to 3 women at a time and is a nonstop fvcking machine. He is probably the most confident man I've ever met and does kino better than anyone I know. Anyways while that confidence has really done wonders for him, he told me "But what really helped a lot was having gay friends." At first I was wondering wtf, but he is like there are so many advantages to having gay friends. Gay friends always have hot girl friends. He's always being invited to parties and kickbacks where it is mostly girls and he is one of the few guys. He still keeps in touch with his gay friends because they are always inviting him to different events that allows him the opportunity to meet women.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I can see how this helps out. I was at a party last weekend with a bunch of friends and there were some gay guys there, who thought I was hot (good grief), but it spurred convo amongst the ladies there and I ended up having some physical phun with a girl that night. I dunno if they had anything to do with it, but they were pretty cool for the most part. Gay guys are some funny mo'fvkcers.
 

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Yeah man it's true. I have one friend who I think is gay, he is not completely out open but his mannerisms give it away. He has a TON of HOT female friends. Everytime I go out with him I end up seeing all of his friends, everyone just seems to love him.

Gay people certainly get one part of charisma right (Pure/strong, un caring personality.) . As soon as they know they don't want puzzy their confidence skyrockets and they treat all woman the same. Woman love it

get gay friends. some gay people are genuinely great people, but I find a certain type can be extremely aggravating to me (but thats the same with all people anyway).

Duffdog...Haha, that sounds awesome! I need to find me one of them.
 

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This can work the other way too... having bi friends who are girls. I currently go out with one to have fun-- she actually thinks its really cool when I hit on other hot girls and actually enjoys the game part. She is kind of like the eyes in the back of my head, always noticing which chics are looking and which ones have interest. Of course it doesnt hurt that she is hot too.
 

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Yeah, they are certainly cool. They don't cross your personal space either. They know you are straight, so they won't make a move. As long as you are cool with them touching and teasing you, they are harmless.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Jaggs said:
get gay friends. some gay people are genuinely great people, but I find a certain type can be extremely aggravating to me (but thats the same with all people anyway).
You know what's irritating. Bi males. They have girlfriends, yet they are dropping hints that they like you.

*sick* *sick* *sick* *sick* *sick* *sick* *sick* *sick*
 

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Yeah girls just love the gay dudes. If you could get a gay wing that would be golden.
 

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Blatantly gay people that go out of their way to "act" gay (which is most of them) really, really irritate me. I don't think they're funny at all. So even if it would mean more success with the girls, I just wouldn't do it.

If they happen to be around though, that's good because they provide a nice contrast to me, making me stand out. But as far as walking around palling around with them? No.

alnite said:
You know what's irritating. Bi males. They have girlfriends, yet they are dropping hints that they like you.

*sick* *sick* *sick* *sick* *sick* *sick* *sick* *sick*
See that makes no sense to me. If I was bisexual, I would thank God that I'm attracted to girls and I would live that life instead. I can't wrap my head around why any guy who is attracted to girls would make it publicly known that they're disordered that way.
 

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shame that here where i live there are so few assumed gay guys x) ahah



Darth said:
See that makes no sense to me. If I was bisexual, I would thank God that I'm attracted to girls and I would live that life instead. I can't wrap my head around why any guy who is attracted to girls would make it publicly known that they're disordered that way.
[offtopic] in some way i understand\share your opinion but, some time ago i heard a bi girl saying: "if there are two sexes, why just experiment one?"

and then i remember those ancient romans that weren't socially restricted by homophobias like we are today [\offtopic]
 

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Wow, that guy at datinggroundwork.com was right... it's sad what the seduction community can do to someone.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Yeah it's sad that the seduction community has become homophobic and it became unmanly to make friends with gay people.
 

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Who said that these few posters spoke for the entire seduction community's opinion of gays?

Of course theres going to be gay haters. I cant believe that some of you are accually surprised about the posts this thread is getting.

btw I have never read anything in the seduction community that promotes hating gays. Its the world that does that to people. Its a hateful place, get use to it.
 

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Yeah because I wasn't exactly sarcastic.
 

Five To One

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My bad

Its hard to pick up sarcasim via text man
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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