"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Ganji Games question

Lexington

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So, there's a girl you liked who didn't return your feelings and wanted to just be friends. You thought, "fvck that" and you moved on. You blew her off and pursued other women. But now, that same broad misses you and asks why you never call or hang out with her anymore.

That main Ganji thread explained how to do the blowing off part. But now when she wants back in, how do you play it so that it leads to getting laid? Presumably, the girl just wants a resumption of what she had before....a platonic friendship; she wants all the benefits of having a boyfriend without actually putting out.

Obviously, you don't want to come running back to her like a lost puppy. But what are the steps one takes that leads to tapping that ass?
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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horaholic

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Start making out with her. If she gets pissed, send her on her way.
 

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horaholic said:
Start making out with her. If she gets pissed, send her on her way.
Oh,if it were only that simple. :D

Lexington,you seem to have somewhat of a misunderstanding here. Ganji games are a tactic of going no contact on a girl who has some interest in you,even if that interest is low. From what I can tell,it seems like you're trying to use this on a girl who put you in the friendzone.

No dice kid. It ain't gonna work. Friendzone=Game over.

All you'll end up doing is wasting your time. And if you don't believe me,then tell me,how long have you been interested in this girl up til now?



Lexington said:
So,there's a girl you liked who didn't return your feelings and wanted to be just friends.
Well at this point,you ALREADY screwed up. The problem here isn't the absence of ganji games,it's the absense of attraction. You can do the ganji thing all you want,but if the attraction is still missing when you two finally do start hanging out and spending time together,you'll just be right back where you started. You'll take a detour straight to a dead end.

Lexington said:
You thought,"fvck that" and you moved on. You blew her off and pursued other women. But now,that same broad misses you and asks you why you never call or hangout with her anymore.
That's actually a good question Lexington. I'd like to hear the answer to that one myself. She asked you why you never hangout or call her anymore. Well,what did you say to her? Did you tell her it was because you were interested in dating her,but when she said she just wanted to be friends,you decided to just move on and date other women?

Yeah,I know. Truth,what a crazy concept.

You say that when you decided to move on,then she started wondering why you stopped calling and hanging out with her,and that she misses you.
Well don't get "missing" and "attraction" confused here. She got used to you being around her,then when you all the sudden disappeared,she MISSED you. She's not "attracted" to you because she hasn't seen you in a while,she MISSES you. Attraction comes from you being a MAN.....strong,masculine,decisive,a take-charge kind of guy.
You may be all of these things,but if you didn't demonstrate them to her when you two first met,then that'd explain her LJBF speech to you.

Like I said before,this seems to be another case of the friendzone. Ganji games won't work here. Nothing will.

So if it is a LJBF scenario,then just move on. Not as some kind of trick or tactic,but seriously move on.
 

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Igetit! said:
Oh,if it were only that simple. :D

Lexington,you seem to have somewhat of a misunderstanding here. Ganji games are a tactic of going no contact on a girl who has some interest in you,even if that interest is low. From what I can tell,it seems like you're trying to use this on a girl who put you in the friendzone.

No dice kid. It ain't gonna work. Friendzone=Game over.

All you'll end up doing is wasting your time. And if you don't believe me,then tell me,how long have you been interested in this girl up til now?



Well at this point,you ALREADY screwed up. The problem here isn't the absence of ganji games,it's the absense of attraction. You can do the ganji thing all you want,but if the attraction is still missing when you two finally do start hanging out and spending time together,you'll just be right back where you started. You'll take a detour straight to a dead end.


That's actually a good question Lexington. I'd like to hear the answer to that one myself. She asked you why you never hangout or call her anymore. Well,what did you say to her? Did you tell her it was because you were interested in dating her,but when she said she just wanted to be friends,you decided to just move on and date other women?

Yeah,I know. Truth,what a crazy concept.

You say that when you decided to move on,then she started wondering why you stopped calling and hanging out with her,and that she misses you.
Well don't get "missing" and "attraction" confused here. She got used to you being around her,then when you all the sudden disappeared,she MISSED you. She's not "attracted" to you because she hasn't seen you in a while,she MISSES you. Attraction comes from you being a MAN.....strong,masculine,decisive,a take-charge kind of guy.
You may be all of these things,but if you didn't demonstrate them to her when you two first met,then that'd explain her LJBF speech to you.

Like I said before,this seems to be another case of the friendzone. Ganji games won't work here. Nothing will.

So if it is a LJBF scenario,then just move on. Not as some kind of trick or tactic,but seriously move on.
Hmmm....I must have misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying. The way I had interpreted it, I thought it meant that this could be used when you liked a girl but she didn't like you back. But I guess that renders the rest of my post moot.

But, just to clarify:

I have moved on and I have put this broad behind me. Basically, I completely blew her off (I'm not interested in being friends....I have enough of those). I'm cordial and polite when I run into her but I never stick around to talk and I've stopped initiating any contact with her. I'm guessing seeing me with other broads has made her a little jealous.

I didn't actually tell her "fvck that." When she gave me the LJBF speech I said OK, but then I just disappeared out of her life. Then after a few weeks of blowing her off she kept telling me to drop by her place or asking to hang out. I said, "sure" but of course I never followed through.

Now she's sent a message asking if anything is wrong. She's saying that we never hang out anymore. I didn't respond to the message yet.

I didn't actually intend to play Ganji games with this broad. I really did move on. I just put my focus on other projects. But hey, if I can turn this into a lay, why not? If I can't, it's not big deal.
 

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Forget about getting laid for now. If she really misses you that much, tell her she can take you out for dinner (on her, of course!) and buy you drinks. Or take you to the movies, whatever you like. That's exactly what women play hard to get for, so that guys open their wallets and provide. Play the same game on her. You're saying she may be jealous seeing you with other chicks and seems to be interested now. Let's test how interested she really is. Make her work and pay for the fun time she wants to have with you (same as women making men pay for sex).

Two things often happen:

- You would essentially call her bluff as she's not willing to put money where her mouth is.

- She actually does as you say and you get a free meal & booze, and maybe after investing time & cash in you, she might want a good return on her investment. ;)

Either way, you win.
 

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I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Jitterbug said:
Forget about getting laid for now. If she really misses you that much, tell her she can take you out for dinner (on her, of course!) and buy you drinks. Or take you to the movies, whatever you like. That's exactly what women play hard to get for, so that guys open their wallets and provide. Play the same game on her. You're saying she may be jealous seeing you with other chicks and seems to be interested now. Let's test how interested she really is. Make her work and pay for the fun time she wants to have with you (same as women making men pay for sex).

Two things often happen:

- You would essentially call her bluff as she's not willing to put money where her mouth is.

- She actually does as you say and you get a free meal & booze, and maybe after investing time & cash in you, she might want a good return on her investment. ;)

Either way, you win.
This is the answer. . . .

Also make yourself less available to her
 

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tell her: talk to me when youre ready to go out on a date...until then you wont be showing her any attention
 
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