"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Gaming the Shy Girl

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So, there is this shy girl in high school. I've seen her around a few times in my life, but never really talked to her. She was kind of attractive, but a little younger than me. She is very shy and quiet. This weekend, she actually IMed me and I am beginning to like her. Today, unlike my past few mistakes, I did a lot of ****y and funny, unlike the girls I've liked in the past. I actually approached her and talked to her, although she initiated the IM convo over the weekend. We always try to neg each other, me winning all the time. She does not seen as shy as she looks, but she is pretty quiet and likes to have a good time. She is pretty attractive, but how do I escalate past the flirting although we've onl been talkin for a few days. I actually think I have the upperhand, but don't wanna get to confident in myself--Any advice for me?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Why don't you make plans with her, go out somewhere or go to her place to chill. Then move forward from their.
 
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I actually was thinking about taking her to the movies, but we won't get much talking done there--plus I don't have a license yet. Having one of my parents pick her up is very embarrassing in my eyes. What is a good way and place to hang out with her?
 

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Anywhere you can think of, I'll often take chicks for walks in the forest or to an open field where we look at the stars and see how many constilations we can name each, and the winner gets a massage from the other :) lol.
 
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Thing is, if I do ask tell to hang out, I don't have a license at 17 years og age...Kind of embarrassing having a parent drive us to our destination. Since she is shy, I think it will be a good test for me to lead everything. The thing I really want to do is bring her over to my place to watch a movie--home house advantage! Would and how would I use the kino on her? At what part of the movie?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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hanging ut at home is best for us underage people.. but dont let it be restricted to in the house, you have a whole neighborhood and world she doesnt know, so go out and experience it together... who knows what that could lead to
 

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Chicks Just Dig Me said:
Thing is, if I do ask tell to hang out, I don't have a license at 17 years og age...Kind of embarrassing having a parent drive us to our destination. Since she is shy, I think it will be a good test for me to lead everything. The thing I really want to do is bring her over to my place to watch a movie--home house advantage! Would and how would I use the kino on her? At what part of the movie?
Hey, neither do I. But who says you have to pick her up there? You could always meet her somewhere. It's a shame because you miss out on all the random backseat bumping, but it's by no means something that should get you down.
 

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if you find the parent driving you around embarrassing, meet up with her AT the place.

touch anywhere moderate, anywhere on her back, her arms, her hands, her necklace, (if she has a nice stomach) her stomach.

when you're being gentlemanly... guide her where you're going by having your hand on her lower back or arm and gently push her in front of you (IE, a small door, walkway)

if her necklace is genuinely attractive, say "hey nice necklace" and put you hand to it... but don't touch it until you can tell she's cool it (IE, she stands there waiting, not backing away)... also make sure you ask her what level she is to wear that necklace... and how much Intelligence and Charisma she has to wear it.

her hands, that corny hand game they did on Wedding Crashers... corny, but works. or brush them against hers walking... small things.

for her stomach... just act as if you're backhanding a trick hoe for not giving you your cash... but not as hard... this can get them to start doing it back to you... or even start wrestling... which is always a good and fun thing to do with a girl that's hot. do it any time unexpected. this can also open them up faster.
 
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Ok, so this girl I have been talking to a lot for a few days--trying to eliminate the mistakes that I made in the past with a fresh new start. I figured we were 2 grades apart and only 2 years, which wasn't bad. But I find out we are a little less than 3 years apart. When she turns 15, I'll be turning 18 like 3 weeks later. She is very cute, but would it be wrong for me to even pursue her because of the 3 years age difference??
 

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it'll make YOU look like the desperate 18 year old while she'll look like the "cool" or gold-digging girlfriend.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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So i won't look good at all then? Hmm, I see your point. That wont be good. Well I guess I gotta move on then--I am too old for her and that'll probably make me look even worse. Even though half of my class are dating freshmen right now though. Grade-wise its okay though, you know?
 

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The shy gamer girls like you said are easy...if they want to go out! Don't push girls that dont want to go out cause you are wasting your energy.
 
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So, I have been talking to this girl for about one week. It seems to be we are both kind of blocking our fun side. I am usually very comfortable with girls after interacting for a week, but this one is more quiet and doesn't laugh as much. I don't know how to open up to her and show her my funny, confident self. Should I take a break with her?
 

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wow that's tough, even the most quiet shy girls i've met would laugh at stuff i say. If you dont want to waste your time with her i say move on. If you think her personality can really shine if/when she breaks out of her shell, i say be patient with her.
 
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Well for the last couple of days, she has not been talking to me as much and is kind of I'd say avoiding me for some reason. We used to talk a lot, and I admit was a mistake, and she is pretty much cutting off with me for a little while. I don't know exactly what I did but here are some reasons in my book:

1. I talked with her most days for a week on AIM and I suppose she saw me as available most of the time
Why its wrong? Even though she is younger than me and shyer, she still has a woman's mind. She wants a challenge and did not see me as that.
2. I am very funny but for some reason I had a tough time making her laugh. There were some moments, but she was kind of hiding "behind the wall." With her friends, she is fun and loves to laugh, but with me she was different.
3. I am older and was interacting with her. Maybe she thought I was creepy. At the dance, we both brought dates; I danced with her and my date, meaning she might think I was creeping her out. I took her away from her friends for a little while to talk and dance with some of my friends...

So those are some of the mistakes I made. I guess I was too available for her, although it was good to use some ****y comedy on her with me starting fresh on this girl. I am gonna take a break from her and see what happens...
Discuss.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Today, we talked for a little bit though she approached me. When she talks to me, she can no longer look at me--she looks at the ground. I don't know what I did, but this is too much. She is hiding behind the wall and not opening up to me. I want to be that guy to break her out of the trans and she her real side. She is crazy and fun around her female friends, but will not show me that? Why and what should I do?

To stop sounding AFCish here and a newblike--In my opinion, I should take a few days off from her, stop talking for a little bit and she what happens. I will talk to a few more new and old girls, and see what happens. I don't have oneitus trust me. So, I'll wait and see what happens from there...
 

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Chicks Just Dig Me said:
Well for the last couple of days, she has not been talking to me as much and is kind of I'd say avoiding me for some reason. We used to talk a lot, and I admit was a mistake, and she is pretty much cutting off with me for a little while. I don't know exactly what I did but here are some reasons in my book:

1. I talked with her most days for a week on AIM and I suppose she saw me as available most of the time
Why its wrong? Even though she is younger than me and shyer, she still has a woman's mind. She wants a challenge and did not see me as that.
Women usually want a challenge initially. But dont forget she's shy...she may see challenge as a reason for her to give up. Going the easy route [friends before more] may not be so bad with these types, but it doesnt mean she doesnt want you to make a move. Read her body language if you hangout with her and see what it says.

2. I am very funny but for some reason I had a tough time making her laugh. There were some moments, but she was kind of hiding "behind the wall." With her friends, she is fun and loves to laugh, but with me she was different.
Has it occured to you she may not be as into you as you think?
ill give you the benefit of the doubt. With shy girls, the more htey like a guy the more nervous/uptight they get because of the increased fear of rejection.
3. I am older and was interacting with her. Maybe she thought I was creepy. At the dance, we both brought dates; I danced with her and my date, meaning she might think I was creeping her out. I took her away from her friends for a little while to talk and dance with some of my friends...
It's good to have your own life and all, but to literally see the other women she's competing against you for may take a blow to her self-esteem. You might be better off giving her security (by letting her think/know your attracted to her and not those other girls)

Today, we talked for a little bit though she approached me. When she talks to me, she can no longer look at me--she looks at the ground. I don't know what I did, but this is too much. She is hiding behind the wall and not opening up to me. I want to be that guy to break her out of the trans and she her real side. She is crazy and fun around her female friends, but will not show me that? Why and what should I do?

To stop sounding AFCish here and a newblike--In my opinion, I should take a few days off from her, stop talking for a little bit and she what happens. I will talk to a few more new and old girls, and see what happens. I don't have oneitus trust me. So, I'll wait and see what happens from there...
That could be an option. but if she sees you avoiding her then that will just punch at her self-esteem more. Sounds to me she's very interested, but highly fears rejection which is why she looks down. I think you need to be more of a friend and put her at ease. When she talks, focus your attention and ears on her...let her lead the convo, if she cant then its your job to pick it up. Shy girls have sensitive sensors for insincere guys.
 
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