Gaming girls you've known (been friends with) for a long time

[gravityeyelids]

Okay..so i went to high school with a LOT of attractive girls. Now i'm back in my hometown for the summer and a lot of the people i went to high school with (girls and guys both) typically go out to the bars. I'm really cool with this group of girls we always go out with. Since I went to college, I totally changed my body and my attitude and i'm not the same guy they went to high school with, and they know that.

In high school, i was pretty beta and "nice". However...i was friends with almost everyone in my grade. I was the guy that, while i didnt get laid, i moved easily between many different social circles. I was also regarded as "cute" and attractive in high school, but i was a huge chode so i didnt do anything about it. In fact, i won Prom King over many of the big football players simply because i was well-liked and friends with many people.

So this group of girls, ive been friends with since high school...Since then i've gained the reputation of being kind of a ladies man. They've seen me with girls, and they know i'm quality and not creepy, etc. I don't even know if you'd count me as in the friend zone with many of these girls because i believe they see me as a sexual being....it's just that i havent gamed them cause i dont wanna be creepy, and instead just use them to meet other girls.

There's two girls im focusing on specifically. Girl #1..we'll call her Elise. Way back in high school, we flirted a bit, and i could tell she was into me, so i asked her to a school dance, went with her...it was alright. I was still kind of a chode, so i didnt get physical afterwards. Most summer's we'll both be home and go out to the bar with friends. I remember one night in particular, when i was just ON. I was the man, pumped up from having gotten ripped and in shape over the course of the preceeding months and i was a new man. Dancing with attractive chicks, making out. Elise was visibly jealous because i wasnt paying attention to her. Eventually she gets so drunk (probably in frustration), and then grabs on behind me, essentially following me around the bar with her arms around me, feeling my abs, trying to hold herself up because she was so drunk. I do remember grinding with her at some point, i dont remember if it happened before or after she got super hammered. But basically, she used to be cute, and she got HOTTTTTT. And basically, she knows i used to be cute, but i got HOTTTTTTTT.

Girl #2 - This girl is gorgeous, like a 9. She's quite shy however. WE've known each other since high school, and she's usually in the group we go out with. Sometimes we make small talk or whatever, nothing too crazy. Lately for whatever reason, i feel this energy between us. When i see her out, we kind of mildly flirt with each other. And lately, instead of the typical group text to "come out to ____ on saturday everyone!!", she's been texting me specifically, inviting me out with them...telling me i "must come", and that she "really wants" me to come out. I cant figure whether she just sees me as the social, fun guy that makes plans and leads these group meets (which in itself is a good thing), the guy that people invite out because he's the life of the party.... or if she's interested in me. I've been subtly flirting via text back and she's responsive, but nothing sexual. Again i'm afraid of giving off the creeper vibe to girls i've been friends with and getting a bad rep in my social circle as being "thirsty"

My question is: what's the right way to play this? Obviously i go out and get drunk with these girls, so that in itself is a good opportunity. My intuition tells me to go out...lay on as much subtle kino and flirting as I can while not being overtly aggressive, and then go for the makeout if either one of them are responding to it.

Also, i'd like to meet up with these girls individually at some point (i'm not saying i want both, either one would be fine)...is it too bold of a movie to ask one of them out to grab coffee? I dont want to come on strong and then have them be like "sure, we can grab cofffee, you're a good friend." I feel like it would be a more natural progression if i partied with them, kino'd, flirted, and madeout with first, so they know i mean business, and then move onto a "date" type thing. Both of these girls are high quality and i would actually be okay with potentially dating or being in a LTR after i've screened them enough. I'd also be perfectly okay with just banging them. Doesnt matter either way.


TL;DR: These girls have been in my social circle since high school, i became a new man in college, they got hotter, i want to game them. While i'm friends with them, i think they still see me as a sexual being, and have been getting IOI's from them. How do i go about this without being too bold or creepy so as to not shoot myself in the foot for my whole social circle?

 

[chath]

i just asked one from HS to **** and she complied, even brought me weed.

A different one(3 years younger than me though, other was my age) I didn't simply ask to **** but I sent her a FB message to go to a movie with me and my bros. The thing is, it was at some movie theater that was comically far away and I expected her to say no because of that. She drove like 35 miles to sit through some lame movie with me. This ends up being a good test because you know she wants something more than a movie if she drives THAT FAR for me. I walked her to her car and that was that, but 2 days later i invited her to come "hang out" and yet again she drove like 25 miles to my place. I gave her my tablet to play with while I downloaded a movie. We watched it and ****ed.

I didn't read the whole thing but I would say go for it... especially if they are a year or two younger.

Remember the pook article about trusting your gut. The least you can do is go hang out and try kino or eye contact or both. Remember the "unseen" plane.

http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2004/07/pook-26-on-embracing-sexuality.html

 

[gravityeyelids]

i just asked one from HS to **** and she complied, even brought me weed.

A different one(3 years younger than me though, other was my age) I didn't simply ask to **** but I sent her a FB message to go to a movie with me and my bros. The thing is, it was at some movie theater that was comically far away and I expected her to say no because of that. She drove like 35 miles to sit through some lame movie with me. This ends up being a good test because you know she wants something more than a movie if she drives THAT FAR for me. I walked her to her car and that was that, but 2 days later i invited her to come "hang out" and yet again she drove like 25 miles to my place. I gave her my tablet to play with while I downloaded a movie. We watched it and ****ed.

I didn't read the whole thing but I would say go for it... especially if they are a year or two younger.

Remember the pook article about trusting your gut. The least you can do is go hang out and try kino or eye contact or both. Remember the "unseen" plane.

http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2004/07/pook-26-on-embracing-sexuality.html

Valid points. i could just be super aggressive, since that's my style normally....However my concern in this case is blowing it for myself in this social circle. We always go out with the same group...in total, there's prob 4-6 girls usually (including these 2), and like 4-5 guys. As far as i know (and i know all these people fairly well), none of the guys have hooked up with any of the girls in this group, so i dont wanna just start being aggressive and come off as a creep. Maybe i'm over thinking it and should just go for it. I mean i have a rep for just kind of making out with girls whenever i feel like. Maybe you're right and i should just stop being a pu$$y...i just feel like this is one of those situations that requires more finesse

 

[chath]

It definitely depends on your situation. The two girls I mentioned I did not hang out with after high school. We just stayed friends on FB.

One time I was in a bar talking to a lady friend. I stopped some guy I barely knew to say hi and see what he was doing the rest of the night. He was really drunk and ended up saying "she's really hot, have you asked her for her number yet"... I just smiled and asked her for her number(I already had it haha, we had been friends for years) and that got her thinking of me in "that way". If you're really into "gaming the system" you could try to recreate that scenario.

 

[gravityeyelids]

UPDATE - Mission Accomplished. Well, halfway at least.

So I went out, got a nice new v-neck, made sure i was looking fresh, hit the gym, smelling nice. Told myself I was going to keep my drinking under control so i dont get sloppy. Have just one beer before I leave my friend's house to hit up the bar.

Roll into the bar. I hadnt texted the girls because i wanted them to wonder whether or not i was gonna be there, and i was almost positive they were all gonna be there anyway.

So we get there (me and my wing) and i'm in a pretty good state. We grab a drink and kind of awkwardly stand around.. I see the pool table is open to i suggest we get a game going. We go to get quarters and come back and theres a couple guys standing there. I ask em if they wanna play pool with us 2v2? They say sure, i introduce us, we start playing. I kind of suck at pool. My friend was making shots but I wasn't. Suddenly, I run the table and make like 5 shots in a row, and my friend makes the last one to win the game. Metaphorical? I think so, as you shall see.

One of the best lessons i've ever learned is to GAME THE GUYS. Rather than seeing them as all a bunch of tools and obstacles, see them as potential friends and wingmen. This also makes you appear more social and have the respect of the guys which the girls see.

So I see this dude I used to party with in high school, chilling (seemingly) by himself. We'll call him Jay. I go up to Jay and say hey, im really excited to see him. We're talking, blah blah blah, then suddenly these two real cute girls come and start gravitating towards the pool table. Then i find out that they're with Jay and one of em is his girlfriend. Aww yea, he introduces them. One of them is this very cute ginger girl named Cel. I kind of ignore them cause im too busy winning at pool.

We finish pool and I suggest we (me, my wing, Jay, and the two girls), roll downstairs (it's a bar with a club type thing upstairs and more of a bar with tables downstairs) because i figured my group of girls would be there. Plus it would make us look cooler rolling through with a group of girls. BOTH of the girls I was talking about (Elise and #2) are at a table along with a few other girls we know.

Get to the table, these girls are happy to see me, I immediately take control, make introductions, gesture to everyone that we should pull the two tables together. I lock in next to Elise and across from Cel. This is beautiful, we've got like 5 very cute girls and like 4 guys. I can tell Elise is happy I showed up. I talk to her for a bit and then start hitting it off with Cel for a bit. There's like a band on stage and its a small venue so it's hard to hear. They play some Billy Joel song or whatever, so the three girls (Elise, #2, and Carly), get up to start dancing. They tell me to come on and join them. Normally I wouldn't...i'm pretty shy. But screw it. I get up and start dancing with the three girls (not grinding, like normal people dancing). I grab both of Elise's hands and start dancing with her.

So the night goes on and we wander upstairs to the club/dancefloor area. I lose track of Elise and the girls, so i get a drink and am next to this cute, friendly looking girl at the bar. I believe i said something like "I'm gonna be pissed if you get your drink before me" with a cheeky smile. She said something like "well then maybe you should buy me a drink." I laugh. Not even fronting or anything, i honestly thought it was funny. I reply "Does that usually work?". She laughs, calls me a jerk. I brush it off and power through unphazed. She says "actually thats the first time i've asked a guy to buy me one" We laugh and actually get a good convo going. SIDE NOTE: later i bring her out to the dance floor and get totally AMOGed. Haha it was brutal. I could tell i was being awkward and was about to eject but i made a half hearted attempt to dance with her. Haha this guy comes in and straight up comes in between me and her (maybe it was her friend?) and starts dancing, so i eject before i make any more of a fool of myself. Eh screw it.

After a while, I find my friends again, and without hesitation I grab Elise's hand and tell her "let's go dance" and just start pulling her towards the floor without giving her a chance to respond. As I walk away i catch Carly giving me a face like "wow, im impressed". Game time. Bring her out there, start dancing for just a short while. Turn her around to face me. Look in her eyes, kind of rub my face against hers and let it build, then BOOM makeout. Felt so natural, she went along with it. After this point it was game over. We continued to hang out basically the rest of the night (it was probably already like midnight at this point), talking and making out. She keeps making comments like "where were you in high school?" and "you're like a different person".

I cant find my wing at the end of the night (turned out he went home with a girl. Score!). So i go with the girls and have them drop me off at his place. Logistics sucked for the lay for a few reasons. First: Elise lives with her brother downtown...awkward. Second: my wing's place, the one i'm crashing at...his roommate is Elise's ex, so obviously cant bring her there.

I'm actually at a loss for how to make this lay happen. I mean i guess the obvious suggestion would be car sex..but i feel like that might be hard to engineer. I could invite her to the mall and then try to bang her in the changing room at JCpenny's........

Invite her for a day 2 for like coffee or whatever? Or just wait because i'll run into her at the bars or at a grad party i know she'll be at?