"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Games or huh?

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I'll keep it brief

HB 8.5

Met girl at house party, she showed high interest, seeking my approval, telling me i'm amazing and awesome etc etc, we were going clubbing after the party and she wanted to hang with me but i was meeting my boys and I said yeah meet us in town, she's like text me when you get in I really want to hang with you.

Got to town, lost phone (and jacket) so couldn't text, didn't think much of it.

Next day she adds me on facebook, "why didn't you text meeee...."

I said i lost my phone, asked her out on the spot, she said yeah awesome, set it up for the following friday, she was typing long ass messages i responded a bit then bounced.

Friday morning I get "something came up blah blah" so i think ah right... flake

go to standard "cool let me know when you are free and we will do something then" she texts straight back and says she still wants to go out, am i free tomorrow, I said I may have something on but text me lunchtime and i'll know.

Didn't hear from her again, I did not text her back after telling her to text me the next day which she said she would. this is like a month ago so cool whatever moved on.

Today she walks into my work, hung around for 45 minutes, says "we still need to go out". I said cool well you text me when you are free and we will arrange something. She stayed for a while after this, she was even hanging around while i'm serving customers, answering the phone etc, in the end I had to say look i need to get back to work but we'll talk soon. I was pleasant and had her laughing and stuff and she asked me how it was going with my ex who had been on the scene, and I just said yeah she's not in the picture, she said "thats really good"

Anyway, what's the appraisal, was I too trigger happy or too indifferent?

I don't play silly girl games so if she wants to hang i'm down but i'm loathe to ask twice.

(weren't that brief was it, ah well)
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Infern0 said:
Next day she adds me on facebook, "why didn't you text meeee...."
"I've categorized you as a beta orbiter. You didn't do your job, which is giving me validations whenever I need it."


Infern0 said:
she texts straight back and says she still wants to go out, am i free tomorrow
"look I'm sucking someone Else's ****a right now, someone I'm afraid of losing. Who the fvck are you fag."

Infern0 said:
"we still need to go out".
"look I'm sucking someone else's ****a right now, someone I'm afraid of losing. Who the fvck are you fag. Get it yet?"
 

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Suspens said:
"I've categorized you as a beta orbiter. You didn't do your job, which is giving me validations whenever I need it."


"look I'm sucking someone Else's ****a right now, someone I'm afraid of losing. Who the fvck are you fag."

"look I'm sucking someone else's ****a right now, someone I'm afraid of losing. Who the fvck are you fag. Get it yet?"
I'd agree with you if I wasn't there myself, she has nothing to classify me as a "beta orbiter". She approached me at the party, she followed me around, she was the one giving me compliments, I didn't give her ANY validation, I was just joking around enjoying myself. Don't get me wrong I wasn't a cold **** to her but I didn't compliment her or show her any more attention than anyone else. Actually I was dealing with the aforementioned ex at the time so I wasn't even thinking about it tbh.

She initiated every contact we've ever had and i've never complimented her.

She asked for my number

She added me on facebook and mesaged me

She came into my work and hung around for 45 minutes

But I'M the "beta orbiter"?

If this is the case fine, i don't care about terminating her ass, but I can't see anything in my behaviour that would classify me as "beta orbiter".

It's not even really a case of me needing to terminate her because I haven't put any effort or anything into her at all, other than asking her out, which is that beta now?

I just want to know if she's wasting my time or if I can smash, either way all good.
 

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Well after reading those new details I guess she was looking for an ONS. Found you attractive, was highly interested and possibly DTF. Who is to blame here man. It's you.
 

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Her IL isn't high enough for her to commit, especially when something else comes up. At this point, shopping with her GFs is going to override an evening out with you. You need to elevate her IL a bit more. Instead of focusing on getting her to text you, tease her, be playful with her, and THEN she'll be more likely to commit.

The thought of going out with you needs to cause a greater emotional spike than the mundane things she does from day to day.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Infern0 said:
I'd agree with you if I wasn't there myself, she has nothing to classify me as a "beta orbiter". She approached me at the party, she followed me around, she was the one giving me compliments, I didn't give her ANY validation, I was just joking around enjoying myself. Don't get me wrong I wasn't a cold **** to her but I didn't compliment her or show her any more attention than anyone else. Actually I was dealing with the aforementioned ex at the time so I wasn't even thinking about it tbh.

She initiated every contact we've ever had and i've never complimented her.

She asked for my number

She added me on facebook and mesaged me

She came into my work and hung around for 45 minutes

But I'M the "beta orbiter"?

If this is the case fine, i don't care about terminating her ass, but I can't see anything in my behaviour that would classify me as "beta orbiter".

It's not even really a case of me needing to terminate her because I haven't put any effort or anything into her at all, other than asking her out, which is that beta now?

I just want to know if she's wasting my time or if I can smash, either way all good.
Sometimes you guys reach the DJ paranoia...it's sad.

This chick was INTO YOU, but you've over-gamed her cause you did not want to look like you cared. Silly you OP.

She showed so much interest while you showed almost nothing that she's gonna probably send you to the curb, so I would not find it weird if you came here in a few days posting that she's gone cold etc. lol.

Good luck...and stop over-gaming chicks you like...
 

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pyros said:
Sometimes you guys reach the DJ paranoia...it's sad.

This chick was INTO YOU, but you've over-gamed her cause you did not want to look like you cared. Silly you OP.

She showed so much interest while you showed almost nothing that she's gonna probably send you to the curb, so I would not find it weird if you came here in a few days posting that she's gone cold etc. lol.

Good luck...and stop over-gaming chicks you like...
She flaked...........
 
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