Game vs Looks

[Machine10033]

That’s not true. This forum is a collection of men that found a way to blow it with girls that found us attractive initially. If you act like a beta cornball, she will lose attraction rather quickly. Happens all the time. Game does matter.

Correct Game eventually does matter... I’ve seen plenty of good looking goofs land puss for one night... eventually it will get old. I’m talking initial impression and a hook up. Same with a guy... we can all tolerate a smoking hot dumb blond for one or two nights but it gets old.

 

[Velasco]

I’m talking initial impression and a hook up.

that's what he was talking about. I've screwed up lay ups when I was younger (girl comes up to me and says her hotter friend thinks I'm hot). and I've not done anything special verbal wise ("verbal game"), and gotten laid quickly. this is when the girl is already good to go before you ran into her and your her type. when the girl isn't quite there yet, verbal game matters (you can either make it happen or screw it up).

 

[characternote]

just too elaborate on the whole 'no game required' thing;

As I said, it's on a sliding scale. Just HOW hot does she think you are? The slayer without game I talk about is the most boring, uncharasmatic guy you can think of. (German dude lol).
He's pulled hot girls where all he has to do is not piss his pants. It would literally be close to impossible for him to screw up. If he acts aloof and is quiet and he's ran out of sh1t to say, it becomes 'mysterious'. If he's shy and awkward, it's 'adorable' and 'cute'. You get the idea

My other slayer friend (he who made his way into many of my FR's that people enjoyed hearing about lol) has 'normal guy game'. Better game than the Germans, but certainly isn't out there making interesting/emotional convo. He's not sexualising convo. He's not 'push pulling' or negging or whatever else. He's not that funny or charasmatic. He's just....normal. (whereas the German is very very boring and uncharasmatic!). Their results are about the same though. Most girls just look at them, are very attracted, and their minds are basically already made up after 'hi'.

But that doesn't mean that 'game' is just a complete cope and irrelevant. If I thought that, I wouldn't be on forums like this.

I think a good example of this is me vs one of my main wings. He's slightly better looking than me (taller, better facial features). He's not a chad like the 2 aforementioned guys at all, but he's maybe a 7? I'm maybe a generous 6? But I do better than him.

I tend to bang the girls who think i'm at least 'ok' looking. (e.g I meet their minimum threshold) - (and of course I will always fail if she thinks i'm too old and ugly for her) Whereas he often goes home empty handed with the same girls (girls who are at least somewhat attracted). Interestingly I can better see where he's going wrong now thanks to my PUA reading over the years (basically a complete lack of flirting! In fact, i'd go as far as to say that 99% of 'game' IS just flirting and contains many of the things that make up game technically, such as negging and c0cky-funny and breaking rapport and sexualising convo and etc etc etc. It's all flirting. But people overcomplicate it. ($$$) - And flirting is great, BUT it doesn't force attraction i'm afraid lol)

 

[RangerMIke]

Looks and game are two different things:

Looks is function of attraction.

Game is a function of interest.

You have to have at least the minimum acceptable level of looks to even have a shot.

This is the only place where the great one Doc Love, had it wrong, well sort of. In the interest of simplicity, he called everything 'interest level' he said you had to have at least 50% interest to have a shot. I say she has to have SOME level of attraction, it's really the same thing just presented in a different way. @EyeBRollin is right... without looks (i.e. attraction) you don't have a shot, or if you prefer Doc Love, which is fine, 50% interest.

She can be attracted (you have the looks) to you, but if you don't know how to close the deal (game), nothing is going to happen.

 

[Bigpapa]

just too elaborate on the whole 'no game required' thing;

As I said, it's on a sliding scale. Just HOW hot does she think you are? The slayer without game I talk about is the most boring, uncharasmatic guy you can think of. (German dude lol).
He's pulled hot girls where all he has to do is not piss his pants. It would literally be close to impossible for him to screw up. If he acts aloof and is quiet and he's ran out of sh1t to say, it becomes 'mysterious'. If he's shy and awkward, it's 'adorable' and 'cute'. You get the idea

My other slayer friend (he who made his way into many of my FR's that people enjoyed hearing about lol) has 'normal guy game'. Better game than the Germans, but certainly isn't out there making interesting convo. He's not sexualising convo. He's not 'push pulling' or negging or whatever else. He's not that funny or charasmatic. He's just....normal. (whereas the German is very very boring and uncharasmatic!). Their results are about the same though. Most girls just look at them, are very attracted, and their minds are basically already made up after 'hi'.

But that doesn't mean that 'game' is just a complete cope and irrelevant. If I thought that, I wouldn't be on forums like this.

I think a good example of this is me vs one of my main wings. He's slightly better looking than me (taller, better facial features). He's not a chad like the 2 aforementioned guys at all, but he's maybe a 7? I'm maybe a generous 6? But I do better than him.

I tend to bang the girls who think i'm at least 'ok' looking. (e.g I meet their minimum threshold) - (and of course I will always fail if she thinks i'm too old and ugly for her) Whereas he often goes home empty handed with the same girls (girls who are at least somewhat attracted). Interestingly I can better see where he's going wrong now thanks to my PUA reading over the years (basically a complete lack of flirting! In fact, i'd go as far as to say that 99% of 'game' IS just flirting and contains many of the things that make up game technically, such as negging and c0cky-funny and breaking rapport and sexualising convo and etc etc etc. It's all flirting. But people overcomplicate it. ($$$) - And flirting is great, BUT it doesn't force attraction i'm afraid lol)

Being boring is good if you are attractive , as otherwise you will give too much of a playboy vibe and make the girl auto reject ( attainability issue )

if you do mainly night game , then this is not a problem

 

[Lookatu]

when I first started realising a lot of this stuff, I found myself being way less impressed by peoples lay reports and stuff lol. Girls really will often do so much of the work for you IF they are attracted.
I read an FR last week where a guy was literally being opened by girls and stuff, and people were congratulating him on his 'game' etc. I think if people realised how it actually works, they'd be less impressed lol

I agree. Here's a little story time...

I will admit that I was this character most of my life. I think I looked good enough where girls were giving me IOI's, not sh1t testing me, letting me get away with a lot of beta crap, coming onto me, asking me out, always having girlfriends or dates with never an empty moment. I probably thought my game was ok but really it was non-existent for the most part looking back.

Then came the smartphone and social media period where girls had more options and getting their ego's/values falsely inflated. That along with me getting older is when things started slowing down for me and my looks weren't enough.

I went from an abundance to scarcity/desperation/thirst. Then I found forums like these to get me back on top and develop a game and awareness I've never had with girls in my life ever since a few years ago.

So I've been on both ends to know that both are needed and they both depend on each other. It's very hard if not impossible to have only one working in your favor to be successful, especially these days.

 

[manfrombelow]

Unless you look like a literal zombie, then game trumps look EVERY TIME.

 

[characternote]

Looks and game are two different things:

Looks is function of attraction.

Game is a function of interest.

You have to have at least the minimum acceptable level of looks to even have a shot.

Exactly.
And her 'minimum level of looks', depending on the age/hotness (and other things) of the girl can rule out most guys instantly in spite of 'game'. If they want a tall, very facially handsome 'love Island' type dude, then you're gonna be out of luck no matter how much 'charisma/confidence/game whatever you are able to show
Seems the whole thread is basicallly in agreement - the community really has moved on. Proud lol