"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Game on part deux, after initially turned down because of a boyfriend..?

TheManOfSteel

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Ok let me hear some opinions.

So this gym I go to six days a week has some cute girls that work the front desk (shocking, I know right?). About five-six months ago (I think), I was chatting up this one girl, and she seemed interested. So I asked for her number towards the end of the conversation, and she had a boyfriend at the time. No biggie... I had seen her at the movies with a guy. She's pretty hot, so I guess I didn't expect for this tiny scrawny guy I saw her with to be her boyfriend. I still chat with her briefly when I see her, as I'm not upset by getting rejected at all... and she always seems to go out of her way to smile and say hi and see you later when I'm heading out. Yes, I'm aware front desk people do this in general, but I'm not clueless, I notice that she doesn't talk to everybody as they come and go.

So fast forward to today, through some gym rat friends on facebook I see her profile and see that her status is single. What do you say, game on for another number attempt close now that the BF is seemingly out of the picture? Or no since I originally got turned down despite some IOIs... Ok let's hear it, thanks.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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rocket87

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Definitely, the bf excuse could've been completely legit - from how you worded it that's what it sounds like anyway.

Freshly broken up situation.. Dunno what could be better? Gogo
 

TheManOfSteel

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I don't know if it's a freshly broken up situation, as I only chit chat with her at the gym and didn't pursue her any further after the initial bomb. I know the BF excuse is legitimate, as I randomly saw her at the movies with him. Not to be too full of myself, and I know nothing about the guy, but I consider myself a step up from what I saw. I have also spoken to another girl who works there a few weeks ago and got her number, but when I called a week later she was seeing some off/on guy (and apparently I was not a better alternative lol). I guess my hesitation is just in terms of either those two talking amongst themselves, or getting shot down a 2nd time when there is no BF in the picture. Ok, time to sack it up. Game on...
 

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women have given the boyfriend excuse for years to the men they have no interest in. her profile is single and i assume you see her a lot if you go 6 days a week. if she was really interested in you i think she would want to talk to you in general conversation and get to know you more than just friendly hellos and goodbyes. that is just being friendly. when a woman is interested in a man at some point she would strike up a conversation especially if she sees him everyday. you already asked for her number once and she turned you down so she knew you were interested in her when you asked for her number. she remembers that most likely and if she was interested in you i think she would of made a comment to you about her being single or even giving you her number and say call me sometime. try talking to her and see how that goes and if you don't get any good signs you have your answer. really this is the best way to go about it. i would say she is not imho. just being honest.
 

TheManOfSteel

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I go six days a week, but see her there maybe twice a week on average. She has asked me how it's going, how are you, etc... which seem like a conversation opener, but I just give a quick answer so I can get into my workout. I prefer to start conversations as I'm leaving, so that way I've already taken care of what I needed to do. It's also kind of awkward to chat with them as people are occassionally coming and going. (I can obviously do it, as I number closed the other cute chick employee a couple weeks ago).

It's funny, I did see her there yesterday working out, and not as an employee. I noticed her watching me play basketball for a while. I should have gone up to her yesterday and started chatting with her now that she wasn't on the clock so I screwed that one up a bit :) . I appreciate the honesty, thanks.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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