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Had to mention this after tonight, hokey smokes that was an intense episode.
A little too dark to see what was going on at times though.

I'm sure some here will complain that the females came off looking too strong in this one, but regardless of that I thought it was pretty awesome.
 
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I thought it was terrible.

The Night King's first big battle and he loses. All of that build up for so long, to end this way?

And the dothraki was a total waste. Also, like you, the battle didn't show the big picture much....it felt like most everything was a close up so it was difficult to get a real sense of much.

As far as the women.....

You can expect at least 2x per episode a woman telling a man that he can't stop her from doing something, or a man cowering while a woman is being super masculine.

It isn't about "strong women", it's about fostering conflict between the sexes. If anyone thinks there is not a link between hollywood constantly pushing that garbage and girls and women today making idiotic decisions and being combative with men, then they are extremely naive.

Edit: And true to fake news, an article already exists claiming it lived up to it's hype, and claiming Arya killed the Night King. And rah rahing Lyanna killing the zombie giant in just a stupidly contrived and ridiculous scene.


Hardhome was far far better in my opinion.
 
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Don't watch the show, never have. Chicks love it because there's so many strong women and a lot of drama. Glad I am missing out
 

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I've never once watched it, but people are totally obsessed with it. Makes me want to watch it less.

I feel out of place at many social events simply because I do not watch all these modern day shows on HBO, Showtime, etc. It's all people talk about.

I have had multiple people tell me that if you don't watch GoT, I feel sorry for you. Then other people will declare that if you did not enjoy such and such episode, then you are a miserable human being.

I guess people enjoy being sheep, so they think everyone else does? The arrogance of those statements in mind boggling to me.
 
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I watched it and didnt mind it even tough the amount of girl power stuff and annoying things is getting worse and worse as the seasons go by.

The most annoying things are valuable warriors doing stupid things and die not even to save a woman but just to please her or help her in some other equally stupid action.

Back in the 90s as a kid I was told plenty of times that a single man with a machine gun cant overcome an entire army by himself, right now skinnyfat out of shape girls are encouraged to pick up a fight with a man twice their weight for no reason with the confidence they will win.

"You watch too much tv" its a line Im not hearing around from many years.
 
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I'm really beginning to question the taste of the people on this forum. First there's a thread attacking the MCU movies, and now people can't appreciate GoT. I mean if you can't appreciate Game of Thrones, all I can say is WTF? I understand Danger's comments because there is a bit of "girlpower" influence present (as in most things these days), even though I disagree with his overall conclusion.

There were girls who fought, and those who didn't/couldn't (like $ansa). The ones who did, I thought made sense, because Arya had extensive training, Lyanna was a tough northerner, and Brienna was a tomboy who always wanted to be a knight. Dany was effective with her dragons, not so much with a sword.

Game of Thrones is easily the best TV series I have ever seen. I don't get people here wanting to sh!t on it, especially if they haven't seen it. Smh. Anyway, Danger, I thought this particular climax was quite satisying, even thouhh there are three episodes to go.. Not perfect, because I would have appreciated a little more nuance to the Night King. If GRRM ever gets off his @ss to finish the books, I expect the story will be a little more in depth.
 

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SPOILERS AHEAD.

I'm really beginning to question the taste of the people on this forum. First there's a thread attacking the MCU movies, and now people can't appreciate GoT. I mean if you can't appreciate Game of Thrones, all I can say is WTF? I understand Danger's comments because there is a bit of "girlpower" influence present (as in most things these days), even though I disagree with his overall conclusion.

There were girls who fought, and those who didn't/couldn't (like $ansa). The ones who did, I thought made sense, because Arya had extensive training, Lyanna was a tough northerner, and Brienna was a tomboy who always wanted to be a knight. Dany was effective with her dragons, not so much with a sword.

Game of Thrones is easily the best TV series I have ever seen. I don't get people here wanting to sh!t on it, especially if they haven't seen it. Smh. Anyway, Danger, I thought this particular climax was quite satisying, even thouhh there are three episodes to go.. Not perfect, because I would have appreciated a little more nuance to the Night King. If GRRM ever gets off his @ss to finish the books, I expect the story will be a little more in depth.
I hear you Zekko, and I love the books. But as someone who has read them all I can recognize that the directors have clearly inserted their corrupt and predictable Hollywood leftist agenda all over here.

That is what disappoints me the most, this could have been amazing and they destroyed it with preachiness, predictability, and making it anti-climatic.

In episode 2 this season there were three dedicated scenes to worshipping women and attacking men.

1. Brienne couldn't be knighted "because she is a woman".
2. Lyanna Mormont yelling at the oppressive men how she can fight and she will (which is stupid for so many reasons).
3. Dany and Sansa saying how they are so great for being oppressed women and "end up being awesomw rulers anyways".

I don't want to be preached at. I am tired of the same corrupt agenda and preachiness in these shows that just desire to foment conflict between men and women rather than to tell a great story.

Then they ruin the story by having the most idiotic military tactics, somehow Arya gets past a horde of White walkers, the Night King gets stabbed by Bran, and it all ends.

The baddest guy for thousands and thousands of years defeated at his first major battle, and hardly any main characters die.

That is such a $hitjob of it all and isn't true to the George RR Martin style where Ned Stark died in the first season. A series KNOWN for killing heros.

Now it is just another preachy Hollywood cliche.

So yeah, I feel totally robbed. I wanted the Starks to retreat and all of them to make another stand at King's Landing. It would have been a far better story and ending.
 

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I hear you Zekko, and I love the books. But as someone who has read them all I can recognize that the directors have clearly inserted their corrupt and predictable Hollywood leftist agenda all over here.
To be fair, GRRM includes some of the girlpower stuff in his books too. I'm reading Fire and Blood now, and it's definitely present there. Of course it's more subtle than what's on film. That stuff doesn't ruin the story for me though.

I got kind of a kick out of Lyanna, where you were irritated. I agree it was silly for her to fight, but she paid for it. She was ruler of her house, and who was going to tell her she couldn't? And while she took out the giant, it was a last minute desperate act as she was dying, so I can waive that. Regarding Arya, she had the most extensive training in stealth of anyone there probably, so if anyone was going to sneak up on or past the wights, it would be her.

Lousy military planning, I agree. If Jon Snow was wanting to take the throne, he couldn't have planned it better. It looks like Dany's armies were mostly wiped out. I would have defended the walls.

I'm glad they dispensed with the Night King now, and Cersei is left as the ultimate villain. I thought they were going to end the episode with the showdown between NK and Bran, and continue it next week, which I'm thankful they didn't do.

Regarding killing the heroes, Walking Dead started out this way also, and as time went on they've backed off of it. People get attached to the characters and don't want to see them die. Jorah Mormont was the biggest loss for me last night, the ultimate orbiter lol.
 

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To be fair, GRRM includes some of the girlpower stuff in his books too. I'm reading Fire and Blood now, and it's definitely present there. Of course it's more subtle than what's on film. That stuff doesn't ruin the story for me though.

I got kind of a kick out of Lyanna, where you were irritated. I agree it was silly for her to fight, but she paid for it. She was ruler of her house, and who was going to tell her she couldn't? And while she took out the giant, it was a last minute desperate act as she was dying, so I can waive that. Regarding Arya, she had the most extensive training in stealth of anyone there probably, so if anyone was going to sneak up on or past the wights, it would be her.

Lousy military planning, I agree. If Jon Snow was wanting to take the throne, he couldn't have planned it better. It looks like Dany's armies were mostly wiped out. I would have defended the walls.

I'm glad they dispensed with the Night King now, and Cersei is left as the ultimate villain. I thought they were going to end the episode with the showdown between NK and Bran, and continue it next week, which I'm thankful they didn't do.

Regarding killing the heroes, Walking Dead started out this way also, and as time went on they've backed off of it. People get attached to the characters and don't want to see them die. Jorah Mormont was the biggest loss for me last night, the ultimate orbiter lol.
LOL yes the ultimate orbiter.

What seemed contrived for me and annoying about Lyanna, and just to push more leftist drivel, was that the zombie giant was swatting everything with a club without thought, but then picked Lyanna up to stare at her and then brought her right to it's face. Especially that this was done immediately in contrast to the Hound cowering.

Suddenly to the Zombie giant it wasn't all about just killing the living, it was important to push a narrative. If it is novel then sure that's ok, but it isn't novel anymore, it is absolutely predictable and even pushed.

What made GoT popular WAS the killing of the main heros. Nobody was safe. They abandoned it totally and now it's garbage just like everything else.

It would have been far better to have a 2nd massive battle at Kings Landing where the Golden Company fled during the 1st engagement, and the Dothraki taking the undead by surprise from a rear cavalry charge, while Euron Greyjoy pummeled them with catapults from the ships, at least until the undead dragon took them out.

And Gregor Clegane turning on Cersei as his dead body gets taken control of by the Night King.

$hit, I should have written this last season for them.
 

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What made GoT popular WAS the killing of the main heros. Nobody was safe. They abandoned it totally and now it's garbage just like everything else.
What I like about GoT is how the characters are flawed but likable. Except for the villains, of course, who are easy to hate.
For example, Ned Stark, an early favorite was honorable to a fault, and his stupidity got him killed, because he wouldn't play the manipulative game.

There was a theory going around last week that the Night King actually was going to King's Landing first, would kill everybody down there, and then march to Winterfell with an even larger army for the ultimate battle.
 
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What I like about GoT is how the characters are flawed but likable. Except for the villains, of course, who are easy to hate.
For example, Ned Stark, an early favorite was honorable to a fault, and his stupidity got him killed, because he wouldn't play the manipulative game.

There was a theory going around last week that the Night King actually was going to King's Landing first, would kill everybody down there, and then march to Winterfell with an even larger army for the ultimate battle.
I did like the evolution of the characters. Jamie went from villain number 1 to a highly likeable character.

Bronn was a scum and became likeable. Same with the Hound.

The books were great at getting you to love a character, and then killing him. The last character I truly remember this being done with was The Viper when he fought the Mountain. That was from the books and since then, no character deaths have felt impactful or evoked emotion at all. At least from my perspective.
 

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Bronn was a scum and became likeable. Same with the Hound.
True. Although Bronn may be going back to scum again lol.

As for the deaths, the ones that impacted me the most recently was Jorah's last night, and Viserion last season. That one killed me.
 

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I'm really beginning to question the taste of the people on this forum. First there's a thread attacking the MCU movies, and now people can't appreciate GoT. I mean if you can't appreciate Game of Thrones, all I can say is WTF? I understand Danger's comments because there is a bit of "girlpower" influence present (as in most things these days), even though I disagree with his overall conclusion.

There were girls who fought, and those who didn't/couldn't (like $ansa). The ones who did, I thought made sense, because Arya had extensive training, Lyanna was a tough northerner, and Brienna was a tomboy who always wanted to be a knight. Dany was effective with her dragons, not so much with a sword.

Game of Thrones is easily the best TV series I have ever seen. I don't get people here wanting to sh!t on it, especially if they haven't seen it. Smh. Anyway, Danger, I thought this particular climax was quite satisying, even thouhh there are three episodes to go.. Not perfect, because I would have appreciated a little more nuance to the Night King. If GRRM ever gets off his @ss to finish the books, I expect the story will be a little more in depth.
Honestly, I did not sh*t on the show. I sh*t on people like you who say the things similar to what I bolded above.
 

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True. Although Bronn may be going back to scum again lol.

As for the deaths, the ones that impacted me the most recently was Jorah's last night, and Viserion last season. That one killed me.
Honestly I would have written the scene where it would be Jamie who died defending Danerys. There would have been so much more deeper meaning in that, especially considering he killed her Father.
 

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GOT is one of the greatest epics ever made for me

And it's not the story, the dragons or the hocus pocus (which I could do without)

It's the character development & how complex the human heart really is

That's GRRM's greatest achievement

It makes everything else seem so black & white
 
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Read the books, so I lost interest after season 5 as I know they deviated from RRM’s plot. The writers simply aren’t up to scratch (nor can that be expected from them).

Let’s just hope the old man doesn’t die before giving us the story we crave.

Honestly I would have written the scene where it would be Jamie who died defending Danerys. There would have been so much more deeper meaning in that, especially considering he killed her Father.
Wouldn’t have made sense. Jaime killed the mad king out of duty and righteousness. Just because it now fits into this new narrative doesn’t make it just or fitting.

Also sandor clegane the hound was never hated, his character development in books 4 and 5 made him my favourite character (along with Arya of course).

The series is too rushed, the books are too in depth and the character development and internal monologues too vast to cram all into a single series. That’s why I never loved GoT compared to ASOIAF.

The tower of joy scene in the original book GoT alludes to Jon Snow being Aegon Targaryen so I’m sat here knowing all along what they build up to in Series 8, pathetic. The whole series just frustrated me so I kept out of conversations soo wouldn’t come across as that pretentious f4g however I studied the plot deeply so it’s best I stayed silent all these years.

I’m sure I remember prodrick and Brienne being hanged, or maybe just Pod, at the end of one of the books. Catherine turning to lady stoneheart, Ramsay Bolton making his dogs rape that women (his wife?) just too much deviation from the books for my liking.
 
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Wouldn’t have made sense. Jaime killed the mad king out of duty and righteousness. Just because it now fits into this new narrative doesn’t make it just or fitting.
It would make perfect sense.

It isn't a matter of duty to kill r preserve the King because he was conflicted either way in that decision.

What gives it deeper meaning is that he killed her father and she dreamed of revenge her whole life, only to spare him at the last moment and for him to save the daughter of the King he murdered.

The whole Jorah thing was boring and played out.

What do you call a Kingslayer who then betrays his sister Queen to save the rival Queen and daughter of the King he killed?

Read the books, so I lost interest after season 5 as I know they deviated from RRM’s plot. The writers simply aren’t up to scratch (nor can that be expected from them).

Let’s just hope the old man doesn’t die before giving us the story we crave.


Wouldn’t have made sense. Jaime killed the mad king out of duty and righteousness. Just because it now fits into this new narrative doesn’t make it just or fitting.

Also sandor clegane the hound was never hated, his character development in books 4 and 5 made him my favourite character (along with Arya of course).
Sure he was hated. In the first book he ran down Aryas little child friend and murdered him. And he protected Joffrey the $hit.
 

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I found the hounds early child killing interesting, he was always a favourite of mine. Arya’s chapters were by far the best throughout the whole thing. Thinking about it, the books will never be finished.

I remember RRM saying he would help write/guide series 6 onwards but they would deviate from his original ideas of the books, so I lost interest.
 

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I found the hounds early child killing interesting, he was always a favourite of mine. Arya’s chapters were by far the best throughout the whole thing. Thinking about it, the books will never be finished
He could finish them if he set his mind to it. But he doesn't appesr to be willing to do that. I think he said he had two more books planned, but at the pace he had set, two more books isn't going to do it. So yeah, he'll probably never finish it.

That's why the series picks up pace in season 7, to bring things to a conclusion. Plus they had passed up the books in timeline. The TV series is probably the only place you will be able to see the story end.
 
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I completely enjoyed it, don't know where all this venom of the actresses is coming from but I find it all tastefully done.

They were all feminine in their roles, even the tomboy, she fought with the guile of a female and not something outwardly masculine.

Kudos to the film maker.

It was another epic, fantastic, masterpiece from GOT.
 
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