gambling etiquette. am I in the wrong?

[backbreaker]

I figured i'd ask my sosuave brothers to get a different take on this

okay this has been nagging at me and I figured i'd ask you guys.

I have this friend who is getting into horse racing. We both are big hog fans and everyone in our football circle knows I'm the "horse racing guy" so when he wanted to start wagering he came to me for advise.

I told him look, i will even help you out for free. I don't need your money, and I don't know what your financial situation is like, but i you want to honestly learn how to gamble on horses I am more than willing to help you out.

okay, so we are at this for 2 weeks. he buys some PP's i spend time going over what is what with him. Mainly focusing on Oaklawn since that's his home track.

So, this saturday comes and he has made some picks and tried to do his own handicapping and he feels good about his stuff. Okay, he asks me what am I playing. Saturday being big cap day, oakalwn was the least of my concerns. I had the santa anita card all ready to go. I told him such. He says well if you like anything you don't have to tell me but if you would i would appreciate it. I mean he's a good guy and It's not like I'm the freaking knights Templar with my picks or anything, it isn't that serious, sure i told him what i was wagering on. He bets 20 across the board (i'm a strictly WPS guy) on all the horses i tell him at santa anita and a few select races from other tracks i had picked out

Saturday I was white hot. Like seriously not red boarding at all i was just on saturday. i had such a good saturday i gave my wife 1,000 dollars and just told her to go lol. while i make good money that's not something id o very often. I had a damn good day. This guy calls me and is up about 700 dollars off my wagers. I mean I'm not broke i made money too i'm happy for him. at this point he says "man i know you didn't want me to send you any money but man i have to after this i want to keep getting your picks". I didn't like that too much..l i was supposed to be showing you how to handicap not running a daily selections service. Anyway even then I tell him look seriously man just keep the money and take the wife out to eat or something, and let this be a lesson to what you can do if you get somewhat good at this. But e guy keeps going on talking about how he wants to send me 100 dollars or what not for helping him out.. im like dud if you really want to go ahead. he said he was going to the casino and would do so after he got back sunday.

so Sunday comes and i didn't' hear from him. he get back late Sunday night and ask me do I have any picks for today (Monday). I tell him that's a dark day for me (it's not i play fair grounds.. i just don't like the idea of giving out picks like i'm a service or something. he said he would get around to it Monday as he had a lot of stuff to do. today comes and i shoot him an email.. he is sending it WU (he's in little rock i li ve in socal now) and he says "i thought you said you didn't want any money"


it rubbed me the wrong way beucdase he was the one who insisted on doing it. i don't need your damn 100 dollars but don't tell me.. no.. insist you want to do something then when someone ask you did you do it, try to make it like i am making you do something you don't want to

what i think happened is he blew it all at the casino.

it sucks because we were pretty decent friends before this i just think that's kinda F'ed up the way he's handling it. and again he's gone from wanting to learn how to handicap to just wanting to copy my selections which I don't care for. I mean it's not a lot of money but it's a free well not free but it's 100 dollars. i can go buy a new shirt or something with that or go to a half decent restaurant or fill my gas tank up or buy the new twisted metal on ps3 lol.

 

[i1t4yomindi]

You're not in the wrong, bro. Sounds like he's just trying to use you to make some money himself. Asking again for your picks? Come on....See if he'll be willing to use his own money and make his own picks for a bit, then we'll see if he wants to learn or just win off you.

Plus, I don't think it's right to say you're going to do something then not do it. Probably lost it at the casino...

 

[Bible_Belt]

I went through all of the same thing with the stock market. No one wants to learn to fish; they just want the fish without the work.

If there weren't people like him, and maybe if most people weren't like him, there wouldn't be nearly as much money for you to make. It all has to come from somewhere.

 

[Down Low]

Last time I was at Santa Anita, I noticed a sign that said it's illegal to tout. The sign was at the end of the teller windows, facing the saddling ring (near the snack bar).

If he wants selections, tell him to pay you before you give him selections.

 

[Warrior74]

BB you know it's bad form which is why you are posting about it. If you read what you wrote here you will know exactly what to do.

Business is alot like dating, in the sense that for a client and I to have a successful relationship a strong fame has to be set by me, the provider. If we are going to move forward, there are certain things you are going to have to accept and do.

Change business to friendship. This is a cancer that will eat your friendship, hes asking you to do something you feel uncomfortable about. Set the frame and shut this down now before it becomes an issue.

 

[Beowolf]

My old man was a full-time handicapper, who use to be a jockey. He had a few friends come over about once a week always teaching each other and learning. I never saw anyone hanging around him just to mooch hot tips. Most of the time he worked alone. Once in a while I've seen him give hot tips to family and friends, but he did'nt make a habit of it. But knowing my old man, he would probably be too busy going to two tracks a day to be bothered by a mooch anyway.

 

[backbreaker]

funny yet preditable update


he knows i play santa anita. santa anita's first day of the racing week is thursday. i told my wife "i bet you 20 bucks this dude will have an email in my account in the morning" and sure enough i wake up today and there is an email with a 75 dollar payment (missing 25 dollars) and "just wanted to know if i was playing SA". i took the money and told him that i could not give him any more picks.

i really love the sport of horse racing, it's my first passion in life and I am very anxious to always help someone who wants to know more about it and that's how he got me, but with that said i have to wait until he shows some actual real initiative on his part to want to learn and not force it on him. it took me about a decade to posses the skill set i have and that's something i take seriously.