Fvck yeah, mexican marines getting some

[VikingKing]

Kill, kill, kill em all. Tight sh!t here gents. American trained, good to go? http://www.funker530.com/mexican-marines-annihilate-cartel-members-recover-dope/

 

[Vice]

Excellent work. Kudos to the Mexican government for stepping up their game. A kill zone is some serious sh*t. Legalizing drugs would make this kind of violence stop, but there's too much profit to be had from all sides of the conflict.

 

[VikingKing]

Yup. Mexico has soooooo much potential. We help them get rid of the cartel, they can have a very profitable nation, and in turn a loyal and profitable ally for us. I would never condone legalizing herion, or cocaine because trust me there is a bad herion problem in the chicago area and around it. What we need to do is murder any one associated with heroin or cocaine. Legalizing marijuana would be great, and take some of the power away from the cartel. Like Prohibition gave a lot of power to al capone, but you cant just legalize the hard drugs. You have to kill off all those who deal with it, no prison, execution only.

 

[Vice]

Yup. Mexico has soooooo much potential. We help them get rid of the cartel, they can have a very profitable nation, and in turn a loyal and profitable ally for us. I would never condone legalizing herion, or cocaine because trust me there is a bad herion problem in the chicago area and around it. What we need to do is murder any one associated with heroin or cocaine. Legalizing marijuana would be great, and take some of the power away from the cartel. Like Prohibition gave a lot of power to al capone, but you cant just legalize the hard drugs. You have to kill off all those who deal with it, no prison, execution only.

Here's the thing; people will get drugs no matter what. People have problems and will turn to drugs to deal with them, legal or not. It will ruin their lives no matter what. However, making them legal would drop the price significantly, possibly making the drugs difficult to produce cost effectively so they won't even be around anymore. The problems that drugs cause like poverty would be negated.

 

[FairShake]

However, making them legal would drop the price significantly, possibly making the drugs difficult to produce cost effectively so they won't even be around anymore. The problems that drugs cause like poverty would be negated.

Wait...what?

People are still going to want to get high. Supply drops and price goes up.

Anyway want to see what legal drugs look like? Check our problem with oxycontin. I am scared to think what Big Pharma would do if it could actually sell heroin, crack, or speed.

 

[Vice]

Wait...what?

People are still going to want to get high. Supply drops and price goes up.

Anyway want to see what legal drugs look like? Check our problem with oxycontin. I am scared to think what Big Pharma would do if it could actually sell heroin, crack, or speed.

Not sure if you get the economics...

The reason why drugs are so expensive is because they are illegal (thereby artificially restricting the supply) and are expensive to push through to the end user, so the drug is priced high due to the expense of getting it through the supply chain. As soon as you make these drugs legal, you can process them locally, thereby reducing costs and profitability to the point where it may not be profitable to manufacture them. Yeah, people will want to get high, but if there isn't cocaine available to them because it's not profitable to push, they're just going to move on to a comparable alternative product such as snorting Xanax or some sh*t. There may still be a market for specific drugs, but again cost vs. benefit may make people decide not to do it.

A similar analogy is the bootleg liquor business that boomed during the 1920's in the United States. Bad guys were making all kinds of money selling liquor, and as soon as the law was repealed, they stopped getting funded and moved on to something else.

Now the "bad guys" aren't making money once drugs are legalized and have to move on to other kinds of operations (kidnapping, arms, sex slaves, etc.) and we have slightly less problems in the world, since profit margins on those activities aren't nearly as lucrative as drugs.

For the record I am not a user of any illicit drugs, and I don't believe that drugs will be legalized in the United States any time soon due to so many entities benefiting from the drug conflict in various capacities.

 

[FairShake]

Not sure if you get the economics...

I understand it a little. Enough to know your above argument made no sense.

A similar analogy is the bootleg liquor business that boomed during the 1920's in the United States. Bad guys were making all kinds of money selling liquor, and as soon as the law was repealed, they stopped getting funded and moved on to something else.

And now alcohol isn't even around anymore right? Of course it is, big business got into the act just like they would if drugs were legal. They won't go away if legal, that's just wishful thinking.

Your argument that the "bad guys" would be priced out is right though.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

If drugs became legal, the price would drop significantly, and the people that now produce drugs, (criminals) would stop producing them, because they wouldn't be able to compete with big manufacturers who could benefit from economies of scale, which are necessarily removed from producing illegal goods.

The type of person who gets into the illegal drug trade (low eduction, willing to take risks for big and fast benefits) is very different from somebody who would run / work for a large producer.

All the crime associated with drugs would go away as well.

That's what Vice was referring to. "They" were the bad guys making drugs that would go away, not the drugs themselves.

Of course, cops, FBI, DEA etc., who get HUGE budgets to fight drugs as well as the prison industrial complex who get huge cash for housing non-violent drug offenders would NEVER allow drugs to become legalized on a large scale.

 

[speed dawg]

If drugs became legal, the price would drop significantly, and the people that now produce drugs, (criminals) would stop producing them, because they wouldn't be able to compete with big manufacturers who could benefit from economies of scale, which are necessarily removed from producing illegal goods.

The type of person who gets into the illegal drug trade (low eduction, willing to take risks for big and fast benefits) is very different from somebody who would run / work for a large producer.

All the crime associated with drugs would go away as well.

That's what Vice was referring to. "They" were the bad guys making drugs that would go away, not the drugs themselves.

Of course, cops, FBI, DEA etc., who get HUGE budgets to fight drugs as well as the prison industrial complex who get huge cash for housing non-violent drug offenders would NEVER allow drugs to become legalized on a large scale.

I'm sure another black market would emerge.

 

[FairShake]

All the crime associated with drugs would go away as well.

Doubt that. Organized drug crime will definitely decrease (leading criminals to do other things like, say, robbery or fraud) but the personal crime and violence that is involved with drug abuse will go up up up. People are a bit pie in the sky with the legalization of drugs.

That's what Vice was referring to. "They" were the bad guys making drugs that would go away, not the drugs themselves.

He was not. If you read his post

"However, making them legal would drop the price significantly, possibly making the drugs difficult to produce cost effectively so they won't even be around anymore. The problems that drugs cause like poverty would be negated."

He doesn't say anything about organized crime. He is clearly talking about drugs themselves when he says "they." That's why the problems drugs cause would be negated in his argument because the drugs are no longer around.

 

[Vice]

Doubt that. Organized drug crime will definitely decrease (leading criminals to do other things like, say, robbery or fraud) but the personal crime and violence that is involved with drug abuse will go up up up. People are a bit pie in the sky with the legalization of drugs.

The personal crime and violence would be reduced as well if and only if the price of the drugs was cheaper, as you can't ruin your finances as easily with affordable drugs. Much of the street level violence stems from being desperate to earn that dollar to get the crack rock.

Once again, people are going to want to get high. They're just going to move to an alternative substance that's easier to get a hold of.

Legalization combined with an education campaign and change in culture would be effective in preventing people from using. For example, instead of making coke glamorous as it is now, making it super cheap would render it something trailer park trash does, and I bet you that you won't see people doing lines in the bathroom in South Beach. But as you said, this kind of thing is very pie in the sky because there's too many people making money off all sides of the drug war.

He was not. If you read his post

"However, making them legal would drop the price significantly, possibly making the drugs difficult to produce cost effectively so they won't even be around anymore. The problems that drugs cause like poverty would be negated."

He doesn't say anything about organized crime. He is clearly talking about drugs themselves when he says "they." That's why the problems drugs cause would be negated in his argument because the drugs are no longer around.

You're right, I don't explicitly mention anything about organized crime. However, that the implication was both organized crime and the drugs themselves. Once again, it is possible that hardcore users will create enough demand in an area for it to be profitable to manufacture the drug, but they will likely move on to an alternative.

At the end of the day, you're not going to be able to stop people from wanting to regulate their body chemistry. They WILL find a way. The best we can do is make sure they don't get into a position where they can harm others with their behavior (i.e. driving under the influence).

 

[FairShake]

The personal crime and violence would be reduced as well if and only if the price of the drugs was cheaper, as you can't ruin your finances as easily with affordable drugs. Much of the street level violence stems from being desperate to earn that dollar to get the crack rock.

Dope, for one, is incredibly cheap. I guess legalizing it might make it cheaper but a bag is like 10 dollars or less here in Upper Darby. Illegal dope is actually cheaper than legal oxycontin or oxycodone! It's cheaper than some sixpacks!

Once again, people are going to want to get high. They're just going to move to an alternative substance that's easier to get a hold of.

Legalizing drugs will make them easier to get a hold of. Especially for middle-class, suburban, and rural folks.

For example, instead of making coke glamorous as it is now, making it super cheap would render it something trailer park trash does, and I bet you that you won't see people doing lines in the bathroom in South Beach.

People don't do drugs because it's glamorous. They do drugs because they like to get high. They don't do drugs because they didn't get enough anti-drug education, because they are depressed, because their mom didn't hug them enough, because they poor. They do drugs because they like to get high. You can't change that.

That's my beef with the legalization argument. People start with the common sense reasoning as to why drugs should be legalized. It would kill off the inner city drug war and the deadly cartels that cause so much bloodshed. It would keep non-violent offenders out of jail. That much is true and should be weighed heavily when talking about legalization. But in their zest over the debate suddenly the legalization argument becomes a hammer and every problem a nail. Some of those problems won't be solved by legalization and, in my opinion, the argument suffers when used so widely.

 

[BMX]

Oorah.