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http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=vn20050714080208315C857453

Hlaing Thar Yar, Myanmar - Chicken-seller Thin Sandarin had always dreamt of being a man.

When she inexplicably grew a penis last month, the 21-year-old treated it as an awe-inspiring omen - as have the thousands of stunned villagers who have travelled to a pagoda to see him.

"On the morning of the full moon day of June 21, I noticed my thing (sex organ) was not the same as before," Thin Sandar, who now goes by the male name Than Sein, said on Wednesday.

"And my breasts disappeared," Than Sein added. "So I called out and showed it all to my mom and dad. It was very strange."

Experts have examined him, and he awaits test results from a women's hospital. - Sapa-AFP.
The 'Secret of the Jerk' post detailed this occuring in lab rats. There are legends and mythologies of this occuring throughout various cultures.

Though I am curious if the opposite is true. Can guys have their penis drop off and a vagina appear, with breasts appearing?

Apprently not. Testosterone stains. Once you've been immersed in testosterone (first in the womb, then in puberty) you cannot 'go back'. But that doesn't mean you can become very femine and weak. You'll still have balls, just not in the metaphorical sense.
 

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Pook, I'm glad to see the cat is back in business, I've anxiously been waiting for the return. I love it. BTW/P '/are extremeley frustrating. If there is another way, I'd like to know. God knows I feel sorry for ya on that deal. I have thoughts, and would like to hear some from a man that I know is cool.
 
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Interesting.

Femineness is the default. If there is no testosterone and more importantly testosterone receptor, the developmental machine is set to female.

If those factors are present, the path switches to male while in the womb.

However, for this to be happening to him at 21 years, is very strange.

What this sounds like is congenital adrenal hyperplasia(enzymes screw up, causing the adrenal glands get huge and this causes a ton of testosterone to be made, influencing development)
http://www.answers.com/topic/congenital-adrenal-hyperplasia-due-to-21-hydroxylase-deficiency but late onset? It could very well be a cancer doing this.

Although his(or her?) past ****oris has enlarged to become a penis, and "hiser"
vagina has fused to become somewhat of a scrotum, there are probably no testes in there. So, in sexual anatomical terms, he is probably still a she.

The male body can show breast development, and even secrete milk! However, I have never heard of a male having his outer genitalia turn female. ANything is possible, though.

The body works in strange ways
 

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That's....disturbing.

Tell me Pook, do you feel like we are doomed or something? Despite the optimistic messages of your posts, there is always an underlying thread of foreboding, especially on the subject of sexuality. Do you feel that the future will hold a narrower gap between the sexes? Or will we all eventually get tired of this unnatural state and completely revert?
 

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Originally posted by CrotchSniffer
That's....disturbing.
Do you feel that the future will hold a narrower gap between the sexes? Or will we all eventually get tired of this unnatural state and completely revert?
NOW THAT IS A SCARY THOUGHT.

imagine in 40 years from now, not being able to distinguish between a man and a woman....
 

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There are a variety of sexual oddities that aren't apparent because they aren't visibly obvious.

As Luveno said, female is the default. Masculinization needs to happen in (I can't recall) 5 or so ways, as in the external genitals, the brain, the internal genitals. I remember estimates of 1-4% of people are only partially masculine, in other words, appearing as one sex but not fully "equiped" for, say, childbirth.

Jamie Lee Curtis, for instance, is assumed to not have proper internal female genitalia, and so cannot have children.

In fact, LOL, women with her body type, ie, with the model/tall/smaller-beasted/non-pear-shaped body may often be in the same boat.

As for the guy(?) in Myanmar, he couldn't fully transform into a woman. He's now in a strange, strange place between male and female. Poor guy.
 

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We are begining to be more and more like frogs.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99128.htm

It all boils down to the level of which genes are activated.
Studies have shown that the sex chromosomes are not necessarily the determining factor. The traditional display of a female is when an individual has two X chromosomes present. When one of these genes is a Y, it is a male. This tends to be the case for most organisms that sport individuals that are different sexes. However, the Y chromosomes has been almost always a male determining chromosome, but with molecular biology and genetic engineering techniques, a male can be made from a XX combination and females have developed from XY combinations. These are extremely rare, but they have given insight to the fact that there are other factors beside X and Y chromosomes that determine sex, probably a gene found in both chromosomes.
 

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Originally posted by whistler
There are a variety of sexual oddities that aren't apparent because they aren't visibly obvious.

As Luveno said, female is the default. Masculinization needs to happen in (I can't recall) 5 or so ways, as in the external genitals, the brain, the internal genitals. I remember estimates of 1-4% of people are only partially masculine, in other words, appearing as one sex but not fully "equiped" for, say, childbirth.

Jamie Lee Curtis, for instance, is assumed to not have proper internal female genitalia, and so cannot have children.

In fact, LOL, women with her body type, ie, with the model/tall/smaller-beasted/non-pear-shaped body may often be in the same boat.

As for the guy(?) in Myanmar, he couldn't fully transform into a woman. He's now in a strange, strange place between male and female. Poor guy.
I always wondered why that woman was shoved down our throats. I thought shes not attractive what so ever. So I see her on baywatch trying to look sexy and its like WTF
 

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Jamie Lee Curtis has androgen insensitivity syndrome(AIS)

Basically, shes XY but the testosterone receptor gene on her Y chromosome is defective.

Therefore, her body doesn't get the signal to change to a guy in the womb, and she becomes female on the outside.

Via hormones and all that fancy stuff due to the presence of the Y chromosome, she still does not have a uterus, ovaries etc.

She does however, have testes. They just haven't descended into a scrotum - they're stuck in her groin or abdomen.

So, in general she is a woman who is missing the female reproductive organs. I like to call it the best method of birth control there is:p
 

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I haven't heard of that before. It doesn't change my mind about her when she was in "True Lies". During her attempt to plant that fake bug on Arnold in the hotel room scene, she was pretty smoking imo.
 

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Originally posted by CrotchSniffer
That's....disturbing.

Tell me Pook, do you feel like we are doomed or something? Despite the optimistic messages of your posts, there is always an underlying thread of foreboding, especially on the subject of sexuality. Do you feel that the future will hold a narrower gap between the sexes? Or will we all eventually get tired of this unnatural state and completely revert?
A demigraphic explosion is occuring on our generation. It isn't *caused* by our generation, we're just caught in the wake of it. The *cause* is a bit uncertain, but it doesn't matter.

In Westernized countries, the birth rate is falling below replacement levels. From the government marriage numbers I have seen, the number of marriages has been falling steadily. And, of course, obese women seem to be increasing. In fact, there are many elements out there telling us that we ought to love 'big' women.

Would you marry a girl like this? ( http://www.ebaumsworld.com/drugtest.html ) Heck, I wouldn't want ANYTHING to do with her. Notice how sad the DJs are at the end. It's depressing. But better a sour message board post now than someone using you like that.

For fun, I got out my copy of "1984", drew a line in it and put, "2005". Every mention of 'Big Brother' I replaced with 'Big Wife'. "BIG WIFE IS WATCHING YOU" haha. And somehow, the book worked much better than the original. 1984 is a book that revolves very much around sexuality. It has the old prostitute in the beginning, Winston saying how his wife felt children was the 'duty of the state' (and sheer coldness between them), and of course the 'freedom' with Julia. In that super controlled environment of 1984, your speech can get you in trouble (try saying publicly of the performance some of the female co-workers at your mega-corporation) (I remembered a book I loved when I was a kid and found it was out of print. The author, was extremely good, structured out works that didn't rely on plot or characterization [a rarity these days] but he made a book making fun of feminism type ideas and all his books got put out of print. Publishers and advertisers are very heavily influenced by such women.) Consider what happened to the President of Harvard for his comments.

But 1984's society is coalesced by hate. Mass movements may not have a savior but they always have a demon. The demon is not 'man' but rather sexuality. Not 'eroticism', but sexuality as in genders. Most guys are such wimps today it is sad, and the girls now all smoke, drink, screw, and go out more than the guys do. Some people say pornography is a cause of such climate. Rather, pornography seems to be an effect. If society was serious about shutting down pornography, women could start sleeping again with their husbands. No joke. (A sexless marriage is as offensive to me as defacating on the holy altar.)

The problem with marriage is that the law enforces the female privilages and male duties, but the law does not enforce male privilages and female duties. I don't *want* another law to fix this, I'm just pointing out how lopsided it has become.

I'm sensative to this today since I came from a wedding which I saw red flags coming from the bride (she is an 'in charge' woman, only child, never been raised or around men, never met her father, bitter bride's mother who is still single, and the bride wants lots of things like big house, new car, etc. etc).

I can deal with any 'distortions' outside influences may have had on my women. After all, every woman I meet today believes she is a 'strong woman' which means that 'you are going to do what she wants'. Why are women at war with their femininity? It is their best trait. And why is feminity defined as weak?

I think Men's Movements are judging Feminism all wrong in their blaming it as the cause. Feminism has its problems, but it was the vessel that has forever cloaked female deception. Many women hate feminism just because they think it is stupid ("Why should I go out and have a career when my husband can work for me?") Many girls who say they are 'traditional women', I've found, end up in the next breath declaring themselves 'strong women', and want to 'stay home'. Staying home is fine, but they tack on 'big house, many new cars, elaborate vacations around the world..." I'm like, "GEEZ!" Who is going to pay for all that? Oh yeah, me. The biggest disapointment was seeing girls use religion as a cloak. OK, ms. little lady, if you are as religious as you say, then let us fulfill the sacrament of marriage to the letter. It does include 'obeying the husband'. It is odd that religions are enforcing only the penalties that wound male pleasures, but not the ones that favor females (lying, deception, etc.) To most religious girls, the self imposed chastity and attendance to marriage is to shoot up their stock so they can get a 'better' man. To them, spirituality is not something to enrich life, it is a bargaining chip in their 'get a man' game.

I picked up Atlas Shrugged and drew a line through it, replacing it with 'Mars Shrugged'. Strangely enough, the story works quite well in that context as well (with the exception of Dagny). Civilization needs men to keep going. What I see now are more men being stuck being blue collar workers while women are taking the office jobs. Even the colleges are filling up with females (is it because females are smarter? No, college lacks the critical thinking which was its origin.)

Why is it when someone says, "Be a man" it is always to get me to do something that is not in my best interest?

Much of this can be cleaned up. It can be done by...

1) Man up! (stop walking on eggshells through life)

2)Stop being addicted to pu$$y (Stop throwing all your quarters of time in the slut machines, the house always win. It is one thing to play with the girl, it is another to think its a 'grand achievement'. This, however, is going to be the hardest step. We are pavlov's dog and we *are* addicted. Girls just wear something 'tight' and that is enough for guys to be their tools.)

3) Men ought to band together and start doing more fun things together (we ought to make our own society then live through women's society)

4) Change the Law to stop the blatant financial raping in divorce court. (Here is an easy fix: privatize marriage. Let the couple define the paremeters of their marriage, and only go to the courthouse for the 'name change'. If religious couples want to outlaw divorce from their marriage, hey, that's fine. If feminists want to define marriage as super-female dominated, that's fine as it applies only to their marriage, if an idiot male would agree to such proposal. The point of this is to get the state out of the marriage, and so take out the fangs and claws of divorce laws. This will be very hard to do because there is a divorce industry now who wants the system to continue.)

5) Embrace a culture that celebrates sexuality (which is not eroticism). This means celebrating the differences of gender. Girls ought to be cherished for being feminine and guys ought to be praised for being masculine. As you've noticed, both are under harsh assault.


See? Five things. Five simple to do that would change a lot. But it is going to get worse before it gets better. The state will change the definition of marriage to mean 'cohabitation'. They will say this is to 'protect couples, especially young men'. This is already underway in Britain and Australia. You will see more things in the media talking about how 'lonely and sad' unmarried men are (not true), and how married men make more (because many women rate the men by the paycheck, and direct his ambitions that way, nevermind if he hates his job). Laws may be put up to prevent men from leaving the country or marring foreign wives ("you will marry a woman the size of a pick up truck AND LIKE IT!!"). Oprah, of course, will tell the girls that it is the men's fault.

Now, we men do have our faults. But the turning point for me to really realize this problem was the legal issues (just sit in divorce court) and the collected gripes and comments of older men and married men.

Even this would be a good idea: http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4127&n=2
 

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Originally posted by Pook

1. In Westernized countries, the birth rate is falling below replacement levels.

2. From the government marriage numbers I have seen, the number of marriages has been falling steadily.
1. Where did you get that?
Look at http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004395.html
..What are the most Westernized countries? USA, UK, Australia, New zeland, France, Belgium, Ireland, Israel, Portugal, Switzerland - all of them from 1975 to 2004 had more births than deaths.
It means all the last 30 years Westernized countries were growing...and looking at the ratio - US was growing faster than any other country.
I suspect we have been brainwashed regarding those "birth rates that are falling below replacement levels"

2. Would not it be intersting to know the REASON behind this?
I turn my TV on, and some female expert on marriages and statistics were saying "one of the main reason for increasing the numbre of divorces is .. today there are more women in the workforce: women can choose".
I.e. women got opportunity to work, ern decent money and they stopped caring about marriage and men.
We just have to go back: women should earn like 50% of what men do... and all will be happy: men because women will like them and women - because they will focus on marriage only and stop caring about some stupid jobs.
 

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Originally posted by al77
1. Where did you get that?
Look at http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004395.html
..What are the most Westernized countries? USA, UK, Australia, New zeland, France, Belgium, Ireland, Israel, Portugal, Switzerland - all of them from 1975 to 2004 had more births than deaths.
It means all the last 30 years Westernized countries were growing...and looking at the ratio - US was growing faster than any other country.
I suspect we have been brainwashed regarding those "birth rates that are falling below replacement levels"
Classifying the sample per 1,000 people is a bit sketchy, as birth rate replacement levels are not usually rated that way. Second, all those death rate numbers don't matter. The issue of falling birth rates refers to no one being able to replace not those who died twenty years ago but those who will die within a decade or so. In America, this refers to the Baby Boom generation. I'm not sure what they call it in other nations.

I already did a long post on a falling birth rate, even linking the UN's own numbers. Just type in the subject in any search engine and you'll come up with plenty of material. Smarter people then us have been crunching the numbers. Here is one for Spain. http://www.cato.org/dailys/05-14-99.html

Now, a falling birth rate is not going to leave ghost towns and all. The effects of a falling birth rate will probably be:

1) Younger population (and thus the country) are made up more of immigrants.

2) Pension programs run out of money with rising health care costs and rising elderly populations.

3) The average age of the nation gets exponentially older, since there is a ratio of less younger people to more older people.

What will happen is that major election issues in the countries affected are going to center on retirement issues (pensions soon, 401 ks within a decade, healthcare costs).

But the big elephant in the room will be immigration. In America, it is already a rapidly growing issue. In France and Britain, I have heard, is already there. I am not as sure as the other countries.

Also consider, the governments of Japan, France, and others will give the couple money if they have more than two children. My favorite is Australia's motto of: "Have one for the father, one for the mother, and one for the state!"

2. Would not it be intersting to know the REASON behind this?
I turn my TV on, and some female expert on marriages and statistics were saying "one of the main reason for increasing the numbre of divorces is .. today there are more women in the workforce: women can choose".
I.e. women got opportunity to work, ern decent money and they stopped caring about marriage and men.
I wouldn't even listen to anything is said on TV. I don't consider any of it reliable anymore.

But you're right at the change with the women, I believe. American women are classified as the worst wives in the world. I would like to know the 'American culture' version of what a 'good wife' is supposed to be? I think with many women working (or even being lazy?) they eat out all the time, and so cannot cook. Thus the fatness.

Apparently the american women do not think 'staying in shape' means being a 'good wife'. Certainly it isn't being non-dominant to the husband, but more of 'being a strong woman' (God, I hate that phrase. Stop being a strong woman and just be a woman!) I guess american women think the good wife is becoming a 'soccer mom'. Where is the Husband in this picture? Yeah, he isn't there.

BTW, what is with all these girls using the internet to find guys? You couldn't pay me to use these 'matching places'. They might as well rename these places 'Rent a guy!' Like picking out vegetables, the girls can go, "Oh, this one is too short, let me look at the taller ones." "Oh, this one is bald, it won't do." "Oooh! A lawyer. Let me message him."

The equivalent for males would be if we had a site that we could enter in height, hair length, number of guys she's been with (important haha), breast size, with every profile including a picture of the girl in a two piece swimsuit. From what I've seen, most of the girls who prowl the internet for guys are ones who can't do it by person for some reason (too fat, too old, has kids, something).

We just have to go back: women should earn like 50% of what men do... and all will be happy: men because women will like them and women - because they will focus on marriage only and stop caring about some stupid jobs.
No, not that. But I do think a woman shouldn't get paid $100,000 a year just for going with the executive to public events, wear tight clothing, and be his 'sex toy'. (They both ought to be fired).

I think the best thing to do is go for the women you want. Don't marry a fat girl because... people say you should. Don't let girls define your life. You define your life. And if none of the girls meet your interests, there is an ENTIRE WORLD out there. You don't have to be confined to the locals.

For some reason, I find these 'power women' becoming fat spinsters with cats poetically sound.
 

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Originally posted by Pook
Classifying the sample per 1,000 people is a bit sketchy, as birth rate replacement levels are not usually rated that way. Second, all those death rate numbers don't matter. The issue of falling birth rates refers to no one being able to replace not those who died twenty years ago but those who will die within a decade or so. In America, this refers to the Baby Boom generation. I'm not sure what they call it in other nations.


I think the best thing to do is go for the women you want. Don't marry a fat girl because... people say you should. Don't let girls define your life. You define your life. And if none of the girls meet your interests, there is an ENTIRE WORLD out there.
Then the statistics has to deal with that _temporary_ phenomenon...
It is quite obvious that if there was a baby boom, another one is not going to happen to mitigate the problems that the first one creates. So the problem is not with the birth rate, the problem is with the baby boom that happened loooong time ago.
The birth rates, especially in US are ok....

Yes, the solution is good. It is similar to "if you dont have something you want, just start working on it and improve".
When you are young, "alive and kicking" you sure should not settle. When you grow older, got that nice 9-5 plus OT work, your friends are married, you move to a new city where you dont know anyone and see life from tiny weekend holes...then everything will be different. i.e. routine, natural lack of friends/women (most of them are already married) will do their bad thing: people will settle big time.

But If women would retain their low paying jobs - everything will be ok, as it was for years (!) before. When feminism started to raise its ugly head? When women become more ECONOMICALLY independent, i.e. when they started to ern enough money to tell men "fvck off".
The society should be controlled for their own sake: well it is controlled already but it seem women are ganing a lot of power without giving anything in return.
 

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2)Stop being addicted to pu$$y (Stop throwing all your quarters of time in the slut machines, the house always win. It is one thing to play with the girl, it is another to think its a 'grand achievement'. This, however, is going to be the hardest step. We are pavlov's dog and we *are* addicted. Girls just wear something 'tight' and that is enough for guys to be their tools.)
Guys, read this.

This is perhaps one of the most important things that has been said here.

A lot of guys, I'd say the vast majority, center their lives around girls. If they're AFC they are melancholy because they can't get a girl. If they are a "DJ/PUA" they are boastful because they can get girls. The similarity here is that they both define their lives by how girls perceive them. That is a grand form of dependence, and all men should do away with it completely.

Women should be like ice cream to us: the kind we like is always a treat but we don't live our lives to get the next cone. Plus, too much ice cream will make us fat.
 

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Sorry but I don't believe this type of story from Burma or wherever, the people there are all supersticious and easy to fool, I would imagine this person was male all along and is playing a big hoax on the chumps there to make $$$.

Don't fall for this BS.

Dietzcoi
 

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Originally posted by dietzcoi
Sorry but I don't believe this type of story from Burma or wherever, the people there are all supersticious and easy to fool, I would imagine this person was male all along and is playing a big hoax on the chumps there to make $$$.

Don't fall for this BS.

Dietzcoi
My thoughts exactly.

What's next? An analysis of a National Enquierer/Globe article to prove how men are losing pen!ses by the minute and our society is about to be controlled by Amazon warrior women?

:rolleyes:
 

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Guys, do understand this is extremely rare. As was suggested, the condition could have come from disease.

The incident of 'female grows a penis' has been recorded in history numerous occasions. One woman apparently discovering she became a man, stopped wearing her dresses, said goodbye to the parents, and joined the Roman cavalry. Mythology, as you could imagine, has a field day with this issue. And it's already been shown that tampering with testosterone (and lord knows what else) with laboratory rats, they can turn the females into males. Weird, but what isn't in Nature?

If there is anything we should realize from this forum it is this: Life reveals as much of herself as the man brings her- and no two men are the same. Bright or dark, our world confirms the 'facts' in our heads. Imagine if we never stepped out of our defined sexual 'box' We would still be singing the Nice Guy siren song, and we would think we were 'king of the world' as our boats would merrily merrily rush toward the rocks.
 
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