"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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FUR: Wing Games My Target

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Man... I had such a messed up night last night. So I'm in this local wing group where guys post place/time to sarge on a net group we exchange #s and meet up. This is how I first started sarging with PUAs weekly back in February. Anyway... so one of my friendly wings, a real cool friendly half asian guy not huge on the PUA commuity but likes to sarge anyway texts me 3:00pm to sarge Thursday. We agree to meet up at his house, chill for a little bit with his female and male roomies and then go to a local fav bar of his. :yawn:

I first get there, we all have a beer, there's two couches and I sit next to the female wing. At first I'm being ****y + funny about the show they are watching. I look like a challenge and the roomie seems turned on by that. Anyway, so we finish our beers and head down to the dive bar. It's just me, wing, and his female roomie.

First thing at the bar, my wing goes to the bathroom, so I follow the female to the bar to get a drink with her. I'm then begining to lay in the kino. I begin DHVing some stories about what I do and give her some financial advice about buying her first home Friday.

We kept buying each other rounds of cheap $2 redbull/vodka, soda/vodka, gin/vodka. I'm like crap. I never drink sarging, but since we all were I thought what the heck. :nervous:

My wing then says why don't you start opening up sets and tries to give me advice about holding eye contact and not looking around the room so much. I kino the roomie some more and then bounce between sets.

It begins getting sexual when her and I start having an ice war. We took cubes from our used cups and she put them down my shirt while I put them down her pants. She was busting up laughing and began to fall back so I put my arm around her to hold her in close like an embrace. She even broke my old fav necklace when she held onto me.

She liked the ice war put then began kino my wing like crazy when he comes back from bar with drinks. So I thought damn... why isn't he gaming anyone else. I thought he wouldn't game his roomie because he lives with her. It's like gaming a co-worker at happy hour when you know you'll have to see her the next day at the office.

Anyway, after a few rounds we call it a late night and head back to his place a few blocks from the bar. I was flirting with her but she was kino'n him more, she jumped on his back for a piggy-back ride. I got a little jealous but I blew it off. Back at his place she lays down on a couch and he gets the music going. I sit down on the other couch, he comes back and sits on her legs, he begins massaging her toes. Damn...

Now here's the part where IT ALL GOES TO HELL! :down:

I tell them I got to get up to pee and I'll come back to the couch since he brought a blanket. When I come back out to the family room they are gone. So I go to check on my buddy to see if he went asleep. I then hear some soft moaning. I listen to the door more and realize she's giving him oral. Damm!t....... :cuss:

I get REALLY pissed silently. I put on my shirt and shoes and leave out the door. I drive home half drunk and was pissed. I thought he knew I was into her due to my kino and holding, and some hand holding. I nearly kissed her too when she was close in my face for a while and I did the eye thing look to left eye, mouth, right eye -- repeat cycle.

I can't believe him man. I sarged with this guy a week ago and I was into his target since she was 100% my type, but I backed off and occupied the CB who was an 8, but a b!tch and not my type.

What happened between bros before hoes? Should I have pulled him aside and told him I was into his roomie? He tried calling me at 4:30AM probably to see if I was alright since he found me gone in the morning. I can't believe I was deceived by him, it's like he called me out purposely so he could game his roomie and use me as a jealousy plotline. Well... they do say ATTRACTION IS NOT A CHOICE. But I think he got her because he was more sexual with her at the bar/post bar than I lead up to.

How do I let this roll off my back? I still want to sarge with other guys who post events on the net group.
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Yeah... I'm chalking it up as a lack of communication. He doesn't really associate with the community, hates talking about it, and doesn't know wing rules. He even pulled me aside before entering his apartment to not talk pick-up infront of roomies.

Your guess seems totally accurate. Chances are they had been going at it for a while, but kept it on the down low because they didn't want the other roomies to find out. :(

Plus, if she's that drunk she would have sexed me if he wasn't there. The alcohol was just an excuse to get horny and she would have chosen anyone. No real attraction. If she was moving out and buying a home soon I could seen them escalating into a FB relationship especially if there was sexual tension the 2 months they had been living together.

I'll probably hang out with this guy again because he sarges with my local PUA group a lot, but not mention last night. I don't want a verbal fight, since for the most part he's a chill guy.... but next time he games my target I'll call him out and have man to man talk, so one of us doesn't get pissed at the other or feelings hurt.

Just another reason why I hate sarging with AFCs and non-PUAs. :box:
 
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