"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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When I did my taxes this year I found out that I spent over $14,000 on Dates last year. Most of that was spent on dinner and drinks in Manhattan. Now don't get me wrong, I had some very good times, some great sex, some good conversations. Hell, I even made a good friend along the way, but mainly I came away from the date feeling extremely disappointed and with a lighter wallet. Date by date it's not THAT much money but it all adds up fast!

In the past I had a habit of always grabbing the check and paying whether my date was hot or not. Whether we clicked or not. Basically I felt ashamed to let her pay. I also kept and interesting statistic and even I was suprised that only 5% of my dates even offered to pay for themselves - yes you see that right- 5%! One girl in the entire year offered to pay for the entire check. A very nice gesture. But of course I paid and doubt she was sincere. In light of all this evidence I knew I hadto change some things. So, this year.....

I DECIDED TO NEVER PAY FOR A FIRST DATE AGAIN. How did I do this? First I adopted the mindset that a girl should naturally assume she's paying for herself. Now this wasn't easy at first but I quickly got used to it. Then when going into the bar/restuarant/lounge etc. I would hand the server a credit card and ask them to open tabs for us. HEY!-Did you catch that? I said 'TABS.' Yah, don't worry at least 95% of the girls I meet miss that one too. Just to make sure I usually confirm that the server has understood me too. I do this when the date rudely answers her cell phone or is in the bathroom (probably using her cell phone). Guys, you know the Mastercard "priceless" series of commercials? Well, let me tell you, you won't understand the meaning of 'priceless' until you see one of these girls handed their own check for 3 20$ martinis and overpriced food (that they would probably never buy on their own). It's also very relaxing to encourage the girl to eat and drink up because even at 20$ a pop for exotic gooey blender drinks I could care less how many of them she has - cause SHE'S PAYING.

Oddly enough when she realizes that there are individual bills there will a few prolonged moments of discomfort. But don't panic. Something that took me by surprise is how many girls suddenly have to 'go to an ATM'. I can't quite figure out if it's because their cc's are maxed out on shoe purchases or that they are trying to guilt me into paying. Well, probably a combination of both, but I'm remorseless after doing this for nearly 3 months now. Which brings me to my date last night...... omg.....

Of course the classy nice Irish pub I suggested wasn't good enough for her. Nah...she needed to to go somewhere more trendy. Ok, no problem. W? Hudson? Meatpacking Dist? SoHo? Where we going? So she picks a midtown hotel bar. Nice place. Little stuffy. Drinks, not bad and Macadamia nuts on the lounge tables (complimentary) nice! Of course I went thru my usual routine, handed the server a credit card asked her if we can start tabs she said, 'sure' and took the card. 1 drink in her cell phone rang. She appoligized, (she had to get it). So I moved into confirmation mode. Our waitress even missed the 'tabs' part but she adjusted on the fly and told me no problem. Boy, let me tell you - the girl i was with could really throw down the drinks. She was drinking scotch that was older than the hotel we were in. Of course I didn't discourage her. She was like, wow they have Johny Walker BLUE label! I was like, 'you ever try it?' She's like....'Nooooooo!!!' I'm like, 'go on....just get some'. She's like 'are you sure'. I'm like, 'look, if you want it, just get it!' So she ordered one, then another, and finally one more..... wow she was probably more than a little drunk. I stuck to my Stoli and Soda, splash of Cran.

When the BILL(S) came she sobered up fast. I caught a glimpse of hers, 5 drinks plus a little finger food $319.00 I think it was. She looked shocked and sick to her stomache when she saw 2 bills. Guess she thought I was buying. Think again. (The old me woulda soaked up the bill but steared her away from the Blue) I had 4 drinks, no food and a great buzz. Pricey Stoli, but overall still a good value (i ate a ton of free macadamias and almonds) $36.00. Damn I thought, that BLUE label will get you every time. Of course she did more than the traditional fumble through her purse. Her face was beat red and she was speechless. She left the bill on the table and excused herself for the restroom. I had already paid and was sucking on some ice. The waitress was looking concerned. I told her, 'look'. Sure enough my date was heading out toward the front door. I slowly grabbed my coat as the waitress ran after her. Then security or a bellman grabbed her at the door and a small shouting match ensued. Can you imagine, she was trying to leave - without paying!

Well, I didn't stick around to see what happened. All I saw was the poor waitress standing just inside the front door with a small coctail tray. She did look concerned but not paniced. A doorman and bell hop had the girl by the arm, outside and was semi-forcing her back inside, she wasn't getting away from this bill. I paid my bill. I had my receipt. But I couldn't help wondering why she ordered 3 Johnny Walker Blues, doesn't she know that **** is expensive? Then I wondered if they had to arrest her while I had another drink at my local Irish pub.

I haven't heard from her again. Too bad, she was pretty cute too :(

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Part 2 - MY DATE LAST NIGHT - Repost:

Ok so you guys aren't going to believe this one. I had another date set up for 9:00 tonight. Nothing big. I've been emailing with this chick for like 2 weeks now and really was in no rush to meet her because her pics were so average. But, I figured I'd give her a shot because she seemed so playful, sexual, and fun in her recent emails to me. You guys know how it is.

So, I tell her over email at like 4:30 that I'm getting burgers and beers with my good buddy around 7. Ok that was a lie. But I use to send a strong hint - 'FEED YOUR ASS BEFORE WE MEET.' So I get to the bar before just ontime. I hate being late for anything. Sure she was average but that doesn't mean I should show late. But she did. What is it with these girls showing a minimum of 15 minutes late anyway? She was 20mins late and didn't even call and let me know. Ok, no big. So she comes in and I'm in a good mood. I thought, perhaps I'll buy her a drink or 2. But, I already had a beer and instructed the bartender to start seperate tabs for us. He didn't request a credit card cause it was so slow and they know me there.

Well we get chatting and I'm thinking, IF I'm going to bone this girl I better get something stronger in me or drink faster. I'd need quite a buzz for that but I was workin on it. Things were going smooth causal chit chat and even some sexual banter. Honestly, I was getting into her and the Harp I was drinking. Then she drops the bomb, 'I wonder how the food is here'. Damn it. Food again. So I'm thinking, It's like a lot of Irish Pubs, edible. ANd I tell her so much. So she askes for a menu. I'm hoping she gets chicken fingers or something to make it quick. No, it wouldn't be that easy. She orders the special veal dish, with soup, salad and comp. dessert. I mean WTF. I told her I'd 'eaten burgers with a friend' and she couldn't at least grab a big mac on her way over if her refridgerator was so bare? (you know these girls can't/won't cook, right guys?)

So by the time she finishes her 3 course meal over an hour later I'm feeling good from the beer, but watching this girl chow veal just wasn't sitting right. Anyway I decide I'm not gonna try anymore and that I'm gonna go home. I ask for the check(s). What does she do? She excuses herself and goes to the bathroom!!! It's good to be prepared. So I pay mine. 18$ bucks, 4 beers - not bad, they always comp the 4th drink. I flipped over her bill while she was either taking a dump or talking on her cell in the bathroom. 4 Long Island Iced Teas and a Veal Feast 59$ - OUCH! I know she was gonna bang me if I wanted. Surely if I paid. I waited over 7 minutes for her at the bar. I actually started my stop watch on my digital watch when she left. 7 Minutes? WTF???

I shook hands with the bartender Pat, thanked him - and left, I still don't know if she ever came outta the bathroom. I felt the my phone vibrating in my pants as I watched some of the Yankee game a few doors down but you know what I thought? **** it.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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LOL... wow... i feel bad for living in NYC now. I usually just pay for myself but I pay for my date once in a while. Happily, the last girl i dated paid for a good share of our dates.
 

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Yes, this is all true, and not just in gorgeous NYC, baby! Here in Mayberry, it's all the same, although the caliber of women arent "all that" they show a little t&a and act the tease, and think they can get away with that crap. BUT you gotta play their little games back. No free drinks and no dinners. They start putting out a little, and we can talk, but until then......

"Waiter, seperate checks!"
 

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damn bro. you must make some serious dough. I enjoy reading your posts keep it up haha.

shiesty ass girls lol.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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hahaha! That first story was hilarious!

Johny Walker Blue Label is expensive stuff, I got some bottles here in my house(my dad's) and I drink some once in a while.
 

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Just a thought...your stories are funny, but you leave out if it is to be assumed they are paying for themselves or if you are leading them on by suggesting that you ARE paying for the dates by handing over your card and saying to start "Tabs." I used to live in NYC and know that it is expensive there, but unless you have made arrangements to go dutch, then it seems to me you are obligated at some point to mention that fact to them. Otherwise your stories take a more sinister, "I have been screwed over and am giving it back with a vengeance" tone. This actually seems a very good bit to screw over some women that have been using you in the past, but when your are trying to get laid, even with the average chick, your cheapness will ensure that your zipper stays zipped.
Is there some point when you decide that they are worthy to pay the tab, or is this only used when you are not getting anywhere?
Just asking, cause this approach doesn't seem to inherently attract more second dates...
 

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wait for them

only if they worth it, but most women in nyc are bags of sh*t who use men

Zipper stay zipped? This is why I see prostitutes once a month.
I can have sex with a 10 for 400 dollars. If you don't believe me go to www.eros-ny.com

and also...what is so bad about hookers anyway?
women are the same thing here, they don't give it up for free...dates cost money to

would you rather go on 5 dates and spend more? or spend the cash up front and get it instantly?
 

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RAFCbearfilm:

Even if Reed was purposely leading the woman on into thinking he was paying for the bill....think of this:


Who is more evil or "sinister" in this scenario:

A) A girl who spends $319.00 KNOWING that her date who she JUST met is going to pay for it

or


B) Reed for leading her on thinking he was going to pay.


I actually don't see it as wrong even if Reed did lead them on. It shows you their true character. It she starts gorging on all the expensive stuff then you know that she's no good. If she's a respectful woman, she will be sensible and reasonable in her choices (i.e. she WILL NOT ring a bill of $319).

Think of it as a sh1t test by the men, for the women. God knows how many sh1t tests we get thrown at us from the women. Why is it so wrong if we throw their crap back at them?


Regarding getting second dates, answer this question RAFC:

Would you even WANT a second date with a woman who will be more than willing you get you charged on a $319 bill? Not me. Hell no.


Reed has mentioned that he would be willing to pay if she deserved it. That's the whole part of the test. If she's a user/b1tch, she gets stuck with the bill. If she's a respectable woman, he takes the bill or some of it and they take their relationship from there.

It's ironic if you think in the way that the more of a b1tch she is, the more she actually hurts herself. I think this is just. He's not running around deflowering innocent 12 year old girls or something.
 

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damn you waste $14,000 in a year on dates and spend $400 a month on hookers.

eh things might not be going well in the dating scene for you but at least youre sorted in the money side.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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You know

You need to go to www.craigslist.org
(New York) and look at the post. I sware.
I got e-mails from Gold digging wh*res. They all want to be bought in this city.
Dating scene? Please. I don't want to be in the dating scene. My career and sex is the only important thing in my life right now.
You know why dating is such a biatch in this city? Because all of the women that come here are lookin to get a quick fix marriage.
Not gonna happen to me. I don't even bother with girlfriends, I mean I have a pretty horrible girlfriend now but she needs to be smacked.
Yeah, 400 bucks a lay is pretty good right?
Why take a girl out for 2 months until you get any? If any.
It's up to you really. I like paying for it.
I only like it if it's a really hot babe though not some street walking type. 400 gets you some seriously good azz in this city.

BTW the women come into this game thinking they are smarter than the man, "oh he is such a loser, spending all of this money on me" hahaah wait till I tell suzy"

I can see right through that BS
 

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Hilarious!

I Loved your post. Please do this again!

In Canada particularly in Québec, the practices and the availability of money are quite different so we don't usually have this problem with most women.

I recently read a post where a woman in Montreal was complaining that men didn't pay for their first dates with her. Well quite a few women that responded told her to pay her way and not to expect any free lunch. And most men told her that women demanded equality now that they had it, it required of them that they pay their share.

Well sir, don't falter and don't let any woman take advantage of you. It's a question of respecting yourself. Sure, you can offer a respectfull woman to pay her way, but only after she has shown that this wont be a one way street.
 

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That was great, loved every second of your post!


You know somewhere deep inside i know there are women out there who simply play man and are cold hearted *****es. I dont meet too many but i know they are out there.. Your story keeps reminding me that watching your back is essential.

My approach to this whole thing (mind you, im in college so i date college age girls)

When i go on a date i point blank ask the girl "Do you have money?". She says "yes." = she is paying.
If no, i will suggest getting something quick and cheap.

I have NEVER had a problem with this. In fact, girl pay for me quite a bit.



P.S. I just checked out the link.. looked at girls in MN. Man, i tell ya, i always said paying a hoe to fukk you is simply stupid... but boy do i tell ya, when you look at some of these hoes you start thinking there are exceptions. $300 an hour aint bad. When you got the money, and dont wanna waste your time some of these GORGEOUS girls sound like fun. Can i insist on an HIV/STD test? I noticed they say "I need 2-3 hours to get to know you. Coctail drinks = 2 hours. Are they talking bout fukking or are they honestly thinking you will just get together to drink coctails for $300 an hour?
 

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Oxide : I think that reallys ****ing low life cheapass behaviour when you make the chick pay for you. But thats just me.

I never pay for the chick, but I always pay my share.

reed : man, I almost busted a nut reading that first part of your post. ****, I'd give a fortune to see the expression on her face when she got the bill.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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your stories made me feel better for all the times i was foolish and spent money on my chicks

$2.75 for a chesseburger or $2 for a pie

some questions for Reed247

1. have you had sex with your gf of 9 months yet ?

that is a long time to date someone and not have sex

2. did you find out if she is a prostitute yet ?

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74027

3. your ex was a prostitute was it from the same place you posted a link too ?

4. were the chicks in your story Korean ?

5. did you ever discover how you gf affords 500-2000 a pop clothes and shoes ?

Why did I accuse her?
I was surfing a website "eros-ny" and I came accross an add with "Tina" (my current girlfriends name). The face was blurred out and it looked like her body shape and hair style. I came to find out it was my EX's picture not hers, advertising under that name


your ex gf is a prostitute at the same place you go to currently for prostitutes

6. aren't you worried she will tell your gf you go there ?


Lost In Translation :D

**AUSTRALIAN STREET PIMP**

Quote: Player_Supreme
“I've taken a fat chick and put her on a diet and training program and created my own super ho. “
 

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That story has been making the rounds on the internet for quite some time.

Funny though.
 

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Quote - Derek Flint
That story has been making the rounds on the internet for quite some time

so you saying this is all fake ?
 

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I'm saying that this story has been posted on several internets sites in the past.

Whether it's true or not, I don't know, but I doubt that the person who posted it did so from 1st hand experience.
 

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Haha, letting a girl pay for you is wrong?! Come on man, if the girl wants to why not? ;) Havent you ever been in a realtionship? A lot of times girls will pay for you/buy you stuff just becuase.. it is like the AFC behavior to keep you..


I remember back when i was 15 i took 2 girls out on a date with my buddy. They were 15 as well. First of all, they showed up 25 mins later... we walk around and i buy us drinks... we walk around some more and they see a casino... happily gigling they pull me by the arm to go inside. I look at my buddy and say "just a sec, we will be right in.." As soon as they walked in, i went to the beach and started talking to new girls.

It's like one of those moments that taught me something... at mother****ing 15 girls already golddigging... not surprising tho, i knew "good girls" girls who sold themselves at 16...
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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