"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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From a girl that friendzoned me: (An explanation?)

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Background story: Went out with this girl a whiel back, got friendzoned since the moment she met me because i'm asian and younger than her (that's what she said anyways, who knows, who cares). So I say **** it, mind as well see what happened. So I ask her why she friendzoned me, and she tells me cause she's not attracted to asian guys, and not to younger guys.

Then she IMs me today with this: (cliffs, I'll call her dimples cause she has dimples)

Dimples: i realized you're really sarcastic
Dimples: and that you come off as mean sometimes, and if a guy likes you, from experience, he doens't make fun of you all the time :p
Dimples: so by you being sarcastic
Dimples: the girl thinks
Dimples: "oh he doesn't like me like that"
Dimples: and puts you in the friend category
Dimples: don't make fun of anyone
Dimples: in front of her
Dimples: make it seem like you're super nice
Dimples: and non judgemental like that
Dimples: omg and!
Dimples: if you like a girl
Dimples: compliment her
Dimples: instead of being sarcastic
Dimples: because then she'll know you like her
Dimples: oh and i think you said
Dimples: "you're cute for a girl off the internet"
Dimples: that's like saying
Dimples: "oh you're okay looking for an asian guy" :p
Dimples: it's like
Dimples: a compliment and an insult
Dimples: in one
Dimples: lol

Huh. I'll keep this somewhere in the back of my head, not really sure what to make of it right now. This isn't the first time i've been called an ******* =P


Thoughts on this? Cause i'm just thinking either I really AM too mean, or this girl is out of her mind.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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She's out of her fvcking mind son.

You are the god of C+F around these parts.

Its like Tucker Max says "If she can't take a joke fvck her".
 
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Some women do not like sarcasm - some women aren't attracted to Asian men - that's ok - move on!! There is nothing wrong here folks - keep moving!!
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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How did you guys meet? Since she didn't know you were Asian.
 

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craigslist.

I'm serious. LOL. I was dead bored and decided to go poke fun at all the emotional/fat girls on craigslist, and this one emailed me back with a pic and she was pretty cute, so i thought **** it mind as well.


But don't think I'm advocating craigslist, it's horrible. I was just "lucky?" enough to find a normal girl that posted it out of boredom (or so she says)
 

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Thats interesting being that I had a similar comment from a girl I'm currently talking with but has a boyfriend. Normally I don't try to hook up with chicks that are already "committed" but I cant help but being a prick with this one :p its the type of girl that you can tease without too many boundaries (meaning coming off as an ass), and I love these kind of girls.

So anyway this is what she said to me a couple days ago, I'll try translate this from Greek. I'll call her jelly :p long story..

jelly: can I ask you something but promise you wont get offended?
smooth: go ahead
jelly: well let's say one day I like you more than a friend and want you badly.. when you have this kind of attitude always being a tease and a ****y guy how will u supposed to take me seriously? its as if i'm gonna feel nothing will ever happen because you dont act as if you like me also and i wont feel like ever making a move..
smooth: umm well ...
jelly: but I'm talking now IF! IF that happens! I'm not saying it will! And anyway if I liked you more than a friend you'd probably never know!

:crackup:

Personally I consider these comments a good thing, and I find the comments from that girl that friend zoned you a good thing also. But I think these girls do have some point...you must at least show some interest...not all girls will just come and say to your face 'hey wanna have a relationship?' without them getting any interest signs from you.

If you mix the your ****y attitude with some interest signs you'll probably have more success.
 

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its either a shyttest or she has low self esteem OR you didn't have the funny part of ****y comedy so you ended up just being ****y. don't worry about it. just next her.
next time be like
"nah, i have tons of friends, cya"
willingness to walk away is sexy. :)

Smooth guy - she wants u but she's trying to figure it out logically/test you.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I'm a sarcsastic guy. Sometimes people get offended at what I say, or they'll look at me like "oh my god I can't believe you said that". But it's my personality though, literally can't change it. Wouldn't want to.

BUT I have noticed, that sometimes when I'm just having a good time, things can get taken the wrong way. Then someone will bring up, maybe months later, some offhand remark I made that was totally in good humor. I tell people "Look I like to tease people. Don't take what I'm saying seriously unless I mean it".
 

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kenichi said:
its either a shyttest or she has low self esteem OR you didn't have the funny part of ****y comedy so you ended up just being ****y. don't worry about it. just next her.
next time be like
"nah, i have tons of friends, cya"
willingness to walk away is sexy. :)

Smooth guy - she wants u but she's trying to figure it out logically/test you.

Nah, trust me I have the funny part down, I can get almost anyone to laugh, I enjoy making people laugh actually.

And yes I did next her, I just thought this was interesting.
 

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Your signature quote really is the best way to look at this situation. Even if she were accurately describing a good way to seduce her (which she probably wasn't; girls don't know what they want), you still don't need her. She really must be lame if she can't take a joke.
 

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Obsidian said:
Your signature quote really is the best way to look at this situation. Even if she were accurately describing a good way to seduce her (which she probably wasn't; girls don't know what they want), you still don't need her. She really must be lame if she can't take a joke.

Definetely, though this isn't the first time I've been called an ******* :crackup:

It's all good though, because I wasn't using any routines or anything, that's just how I am.
 

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well, if you really are an assh0le, I'd probably call that a bad trait, regardless of what other males or females think. It's not good to belittle people for no reason...

of course, you may just be around a lot of girls with no sense of humor
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I don't think it was very ummm polite for her to referance your race, you saying she is cute for a chick off the net and her sayin you cute for an asian isn't the same ballpark, not even the same sport. Next her.
 

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Someone Much cooler said:
I don't think it was very ummm polite for her to referance your race, you saying she is cute for a chick off the net and her sayin you cute for an asian isn't the same ballpark, not even the same sport. Next her.
Yeah, what he said...and Tucker Max is as right as right can be... A chick who can't laugh at herself (i.e. takes herself too seriously) isn't for me anyway.... At least you weeded her out quickly enough.
 

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Kev07 said:
it mind as well.
i've seen u use "mind" where it should be "might" a couple times. I dunno if it's on purpose or wut, but just in case u didn't know..... cause i had a few things that i was writing wrong, but then found out later and felt like a dum@ss.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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