Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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Friendzoned for no kiss on first date...

romanticman

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Well the theory is incorrect.Dont wait to kiss a girl on the second date this is bs. If you have a girl then the goal is to kiss her on the first date. Waiting to create anticipation helped lose me the girl... I had a great date and today the text came lets be friends....
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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The goal is to feel out the situation and take it as far as you deem necessary depending on the case. I've had dates go on for hours and end up in my or her bed at the end. Conversely I've dates last for a hour and end with a handshake...the next day we had sex.

Don't conform to any set "rules" about dating. You have to feel out the scene and play it out.
 

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Yeah man. I agree with PRMoon. Don't worry about it. Win some, lose some.

Besides, the friend zone isn't a bad place to be. That just means that you need to try a little harder. ;)

JK
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Well the theory is incorrect.Dont wait to kiss a girl on the second date this is bs.
Dude, the only place I've ever heard this "don't kiss a girl on the first date" theory is from you. You took something you read on here about keeping her hungry and totally misapplied it. You always want to be sexual and have a sexual vibe with women or you will get friendzoned.

All is not necessarily lost however. Just agree to be friends with her, and if you get her out again try and kiss her. If she talks about being "just friends" tell her well yeah, it's just a friendly kiss. The worst she can do is say no.
I've had girls tell me we were friends before but ended up giving it up. Never took it beyond FB status though.
 

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yeah, just recently i was a "friend" until i blocked the door way in my room and kissed her ;) - can always get out of it.. just hurry!
 

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I think we're missing details and the bigger picture here.
You think you were friend zoned because you didn't K-Close? I think you need to lay out details of the date so we can better examine what landed you into orbiter-land right after the first date.

I think it's more about other things that happened throughout the night than just not "going in for a kiss".

I've had dates where it ended in a hug and then the next date was a K-Close. I've had dates where they kissed me within the first 15 minutes of the first date. Theories don't deal with absolutes.

I say you need to give us more information on what happened.
 

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Easy ..the don juan bible article I read said to not kiss on the first date...so..I am over it.
Fast forward to yesterday night I went to a movie with another woman I have liked for ages from work..Half way through the movie after holding her hand i just talked into her ear..let my lips touch her lobe..she turned and voila...tongue down the throat ...no friend zone!!! Will be seeing this one soon. I have to say that talk is cheap...touch and dont make it unobvious.Let your touch let her know you want her and then bust a move..not rocket science..
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Easy ..the don juan bible article I read said to not kiss on the first date...so..I am over it.
Got a link or a quote from this article? I'm curious about it since I've never heard anything like it.

Anyway, congratulations on your newfound assertiveness.
 

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No shyt. Where the fvck did you read this? Everything in the DJB is about being a MAN, and going for what you want, when you want it, as long as its not from a state of neediness.

But, for what its worth, you might have been fz'd anyway. But, lesson learned.
 
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