"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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steve_erkle

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now this isn't about girls but stick with me. After watching the show entourage and seeing the bond/ friendship that these guys have I started getting jealous because although I have a lot of friends I don't have a really tight brotherly friendship like I used to have and like the entourage guys have. I feel like I'm missing out . Anyone else feel like this?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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trv26

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I know what you mean. I have a very small group of people i tend to hand out with. And even with these, I often don't know how trustworthy they are. Or perhaps its just me that finds it hard to trust people.
 

steve_erkle

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trv26 said:
I know what you mean. I have a very small group of people i tend to hand out with. And even with these, I often don't know how trustworthy they are. Or perhaps its just me that finds it hard to trust people.
I do have a lot of friends that I hang out with, and 5 or 6 that are my "best friends" but only one of them is really a good true friend.
 

Five To One

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Yeah i know what you mean. I could skip town and never see my friends again and it wouldnt be the worse thing in the world for me or them.

I just have trouble creating deep bonds with guys.

Anyone know why this may be?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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steve_erkle

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Five To One said:
Yeah i know what you mean. I could skip town and never see my friends again and it wouldnt be the worse thing in the world for me or them.

I just have trouble creating deep bonds with guys.

Anyone know why this may be?
Yeah, me too and I want a tight crew. My "boys" ditched me tonight.. Which actually doesn't happen often it all but it kind of proves my point that were really not that close at all
 

Voice

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Yea I'm feelin you on this one. I got a bunch of different friends, but I'm not real close with any of them. I think maybe its me having a problem getting close to people in general, not just guys or girls.

Look back at your life and try to see what will make you not trust people. I know a part of my life where I was real close to a group of friends, we did everything together. One day they just changed and started doin drugs and sht and totally ditched me, talked behind my back because I wouldn't do the sht they were doing. I made the right decision, but ever since then, I had a hard time making close friends.
 

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steve_erkle said:
now this isn't about girls but stick with me. After watching the show entourage and seeing the bond/ friendship that these guys have I started getting jealous because although I have a lot of friends I don't have a really tight brotherly friendship like I used to have and like the entourage guys have. I feel like I'm missing out . Anyone else feel like this?

Ive felt excatly like this. When i started HS i had no friends from my grade school, and it seemed like everyone had a great friend. I joined the crew team, that same year and the friends that I have made are honestly like brothers to me. We see eachother during school, about 2 hours for prac six days a week, and we all usually hang at someone's house Sunday. (About two years, and about a month during the summers)

Now that being said, I feel like i only have one friend that I can really say is like family. My other friends are fine, but me and him have known eachother since kindergarten and have remained friends. I can honestly say that I can fully trust him as well as the other guys from the team.

Friends like that are hard to find, and it takes a lot of time and interaction to build that.

I would reccomend joining a sports team like crew, or something similar. Or maybe just try to hangout with them more.

It could just be a problem opening up to guys, because alot of times people dont want to be seen as vulnerable.
 

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Voice said:
Yea I'm feelin you on this one. I got a bunch of different friends, but I'm not real close with any of them. I think maybe its me having a problem getting close to people in general, not just guys or girls.

Look back at your life and try to see what will make you not trust people. I know a part of my life where I was real close to a group of friends, we did everything together. One day they just changed and started doin drugs and sht and totally ditched me, talked behind my back because I wouldn't do the sht they were doing. I made the right decision, but ever since then, I had a hard time making close friends.
Holy ****, man.. Now that I think of it I used to have a really close bond with this dude, who still is my best friend. we were like brothers, and people in school would joke and say we were homos together (elementary school).I didn't want that reputation and the friendship suddenly wasn't so tight becauss i didnt want people to think we were gay. This is probably what is holding me back from opening up.

Now, the question is "what do I do now?"
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Voice

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Well first of all, if your insecure about people thinking you're gay, there's only one way to stop this. Get some chicks!

Other than that, I really don't know. Opening up to people requires a lot of trust. If you join a club or class or something similar, you'll find other people more like you. They don't have to be the coolest people in the world, as long as you share interests and ideas, friendships can form. The most loyal friends I ever had were those who didn't care so much about being cool.

Another thing you could consider is therapy. I had to go to therapy when my grandma died when I was younger and it took some time to open up to the therapist. However, once I did I started to feel a certain trust for my therapist I never had before with anyone else. Eventually this trust moved on to other people. Who knows maybe I may consider going back to therapy for this problem itself.
 

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Voice said:
Well first of all, if your insecure about people thinking you're gay, there's only one way to stop this. Get some chicks!

Other than that, I really don't know. Opening up to people requires a lot of trust. If you join a club or class or something similar, you'll find other people more like you. They don't have to be the coolest people in the world, as long as you share interests and ideas, friendships can form. The most loyal friends I ever had were those who didn't care so much about being cool.

Another thing you could consider is therapy. I had to go to therapy when my grandma died when I was younger and it took some time to open up to the therapist. However, once I did I started to feel a certain trust for my therapist I never had before with anyone else. Eventually this trust moved on to other people. Who knows maybe I may consider going back to therapy for this problem itself.
Awesome man, you really helped me out a lot. I don't think I'll see a therapist, at least not yet , but you're right about me being insecure about that- I do need to get more chicks. Anyway, thanks bro. And thanks to everyone else who replied too.
 

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I had a tight crew of friends like this in high school, but we've all gone our seperate ways now. I have friend who I am tight with, but my friends aren't tight with each other. It's just a fact of life that things change. Those guys in entourage are based on Mark Walberg's life and his life long friends moving out to LA. Those are the type of friends that you've had since your where kids. It's hard to create that again as adults.
 

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I have 2 very close friends that i know from like 6th-7th grade... One of them has been bsing lately and i see us kinda growing apart but the other one is my BOY!

We tell each other pretty much all our personal info knowing that we got each other back. I let him borrow like $750 for his tuition and he paid me back and he let me borrow some moeny later that year. We talk about everything from girls to how we are feeling to what our parents are doing to how our sisters are always messing up lol.

This friday we prolly going to the club together (my first time i am 22)...

All other friends are people i hang out with but i really dont talk about personal stuff with them. Its more of lets go have some fun kinda deal but nothing personal.
 
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