Friends called me ignorant for having opinions

[tryst type]

I usually don't rant but I couldn't help it this time.

I've been an avid studier of concepts on this site as well as the law of attraction, view of the world, etc. so it's safe to say opening my mind has altered my views on many of things.

The gist of it: my friends were never part of these same studies, "pick up", world view. From studying pick up and the psychology behind it it's helped in many more aspects of life from social events to work related issues.

So why am I posting this? Well I got a huge reminder the other day that a lot of people are still in the dark about the inner workings of human psychology and what drives us to do certain things.

It all started with a simple discussion about the future and if machines took over 90% of our jobs. I merely said if that happens I believe most people will be forced to get tech jobs to maintain these machines.

That's when two friends chimed in saying well the facts are that most people don't have the mental capacity for that kind of work. The debate became about me disagreeing and stating that if people have the drive they can do anything no matter what the facts suggest.

Examples would be a lack of confidence to pursue something you want. The argument was well if the fact is there's a lack of confidence then it can't happen. Again my argument was that it may be a "fact" but the will is still present to overcome that. Sure it might be 100% more work than if someone had the natural knack but it's doable regardless of facts.

My friends just couldn't see past this mindset and resorted to calling me ignorant, uneducated, lacking facts, and whatever else they had in their arsenal to solidify their comfort zones.

When I would simply state I have my beliefs and have faith in people regardless of "facts" they didn't want to hear it. It's either facts or nothing. It was a big wake up call that even though I haven't been part of this community for a long time that I had taken with me life lessons and principles that have changed my world forever. And to be reminded that there are still others who just can't or won't grasp the "red pill" so to say will do whatever they can to protect their comfortable predictable lives.

Just a little rant and curious if others have had similar experiences and what you do in the moment.

 

[Alvafe]

I see I see, so when your friends are getting good arguments who kill they idea, they start to cuss and be agressive about it? well you just find out your friends was name calling you what they are, that is all, I would be condencending and make then even more angry for feeling stupid.

 

[sodbuster]

It's like "fight club" the first rule is you never mention fight club.... until they are ready to learn, you can't tell them anything that contradicts what "society" has stuck in their brains... Like an old poster used to say in his tag line. "if all the other monkeys are hooting and hollering, you'd better too. Before they wonder why you aren't.... or something to that effect. Just do you, when you are successful, some may ask.... THEN you can tell them

 

[GoodOne123]

I see you are expanding your knowledge, and that's good. However, you seem to not understand some things about interacting with people.

Essentially, if you hold an opinion that is somewhat original, unorthodox, and challenges the status quo, you will have people try to shut you down. This comes from the fact you are making them feel inferior by holding an alternative opinion to them. They're thinking "his opinion is different! Therefore, if he's right, then I must be wrong! That makes me feel bad if it were true! I must quickly disprove his opinion so I remove all doubt that he could be right!".

They are essentially insecure and ignorant if they are treating your argument with disdain without listening to it thoroughly, and disproving it with sound logic. Their focus is not to have an intelligent debate and learn from another perspective, but to protect their ego.

In some cases, just save yourself the hassle and avoid pointless debates with fools. Sometimes in social situations you are better of keeping your controversial views to yourself.

By the way, you are right about tech jobs. In the future most jobs will be technology maintenance, engineering, and research. This is because most day to day tasks will be fully automated, getting rid of many jobs. Even the medical sector will suffer, since robots that can perform surgery without the help of nurses or doctors are currently being made.

What your friend says is irrelevant. People who cannot do those jobs simply won't be employed. What the government could do is to lower the price of living, or remake a new welfare/benefits scheme. But the question is, will we let it get to that stage? Will we really allow technology to take over our lives to the point that over 90% of our jobs will be taken over by it? And should we?

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Tryst,
Oh don't worry about other people,you are what is known as an opinion former...Perhaps 5 to 10% of Folk.....Peoples natural defence towards anyone that thinks for themselves and challenges their values system is to brand them ignorant.....ignorant of what?...perhaps off the hook dogmas pedalled by our Social elite?...In the Old Soviet System,if you shouted too hard,they would put you in a lunatic Asylums...But remember Tryst,the issues that interest you are not a big deal to most,why a third of young People don't even bother voting....if you keep pushing your barrow too hard then you risk boring or alienating People,even becoming marginalised...Oh and need I say?...Stay off these topics when talking to the fairer Svex.

 

[Roober]

I have noticed you can't talk about any of this stuff with pretty much anyone unless they are open to hearing it... men and women alike would be appalled by the information in the predatory female, the rational male, and even most of the Corey Wayne stuff.

They say it's all games and blah blah blah... it is pretty funny actually...

 

[Mike32ct]

I don't mind debates on here, but in real life, I avoid debates like the plague. People have their beliefs and way of seeing the world, and you aren't going to change them. And as others mentioned, if you have views that others think are unconventional or outside the mainstream, they can resent you for it.

So, I would just avoid debates and also avoid sharing red pill knowledge in person.

 

[tryst type]

Thanks guys. You're all right and I generally am the one who just nods during such conversations knowing they're too in their own view of the world to open up to another way but these are what I consider (or should re-consider lol) my closest friends so I didn't think they'd attack me the way they did.

However one of the two is evident suffers from insecurity that he tries to hide by overcompensating. He loves to debate even when he knows he's wrong. I've known that for years and usually let him think he's right so I can move on with my life.

In this instance he kept questioning what I meant but didn't care to see where I was coming from he only cared that he knew facts or as I like to call it a statistic that most agree on, which isn't necessarily a hard coded "fact" on this subject. If the argument was when you're thrown off a high cliff you're going to die then yes that would a "fact" lol.

Anyway I guess the take away here is keep your mouth shut even to the closest people unless they're ready to listen to another way of thinking. Shame though I once tried helping another friend who kept failing with women and he scoffed at any of my suggestions and resorted to "I just haven't met the right girl yet" this was 5 years go and he's still single and gave up on dating. And I bet even today if I offered some tips he'd still dismiss it.

 

[BeExcellent]

Their attitude has nothing to do with you & everything to do with them as others have mentioned.

People without drive and ambition simply cannot understand driven people and also cannot face that they lack both drive and ambition.

Your ambition and assertions threaten their fragile egos.

Keep your old friends but also find new friends...like minded friends

 

[tryst type]

So just randomly realized that said friend has stopped following me on social media outlets.

Guess he really didn't like me challenging his sense of thinking lol

 

[tryst type]

So what does everyone suggest here, be a sheep and not give opinions to keep your friends happy? It's confusing. Kind of reinforces why I'd rather be alone and not put on a facade just to pleasure people

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

Be sensitive to your environment. I work in a VERY female dominated environment (early childhood teaching). I am not going to talk about redpill theory with my colleagues. I AM going to tease them about being sexist when they ask me to do the heavy lifting or fix something.

Apart from that I love having debates with my feminist friends about gender politics and inequities. My good male friends come to me for advice on relationships, although they know it is often not what they want to hear.

 

[backbreaker]

48 laws of power

Think as you like but behave like others

 

[GoodOne123]

48 laws of power

Think as you like but behave like others

This. Read the whole book if you can.

 

[tryst type]

Update: This one friend has been bad mouthing me to my other friends. Saying I'm a bad friend because I never go to social functions, participate in things I don't like but should because "my friends will be there" etc

Apparently he's trying to sway them all to have the same views about me that he does.

Found all this out from one of my other friends that I've known a lot longer.

It's pretty ridiculous. Why should he care that I'm my own person, a "loner" and do/say whatever I want? I've been like this since the first day we met years ago

 

[sazc]

Update: This one friend has been bad mouthing me to my other friends. Saying I'm a bad friend because I never go to social functions, participate in things I don't like but should because "my friends will be there" etc

Apparently he's trying to sway them all to have the same views about me that he does.

Found all this out from one of my other friends that I've known a lot longer.

It's pretty ridiculous. Why should he care that I'm my own person, a "loner" and do/say whatever I want? I've been like this since the first day we met years ago

because who you are, how secure you are with who you are, makes him uncomfortable. It's his issue(s) that he's dealing with. My guess is that he wants to be his authentic self, but feels too much social pressure to do so.

your acquaintance (he's not really your friend) is weird for engaging in chick like drama BS

 

[tryst type]

because who you are, how secure you are with who you are, makes him uncomfortable. It's his issue(s) that he's dealing with. My guess is that he wants to be his authentic self, but feels too much social pressure to do so.

your acquaintance (he's not really your friend) is weird for engaging in chick like drama BS

The friend who informed me about all this has already called him childish for his behavior.

What makes this awkward for me is that my other friends are his friends and knowing he's going around trying to shun me out almost makes me not even want to deal with any of them.

 

[samspade]

You didn't know? We're all misogynist losers living in our parents' basements, eating Cheetos and watching porn. We're all ignorant, mean-spirited, and uncaring. And any success we have with our careers, women, or happiness in general is just dumb luck or a result of our privilege. I thought you knew all this!

 

[sazc]

The friend who informed me about all this has already called him childish for his behavior.

What makes this awkward for me is that my other friends are his friends and knowing he's going around trying to shun me out almost makes me not even want to deal with any of them.

if any of them are not defending you then they are all acquaintances as well and you need to expand your social circle and meet new people. never burn bridges, leave the bridge in place, just stand on one side of it, with your acquaintances on the other side, visit every now and then to keep in touch, but generally wave and smile from the other end if it, while you pursue your happiness.

 

[samspade]

What makes this awkward for me is that my other friends are his friends and knowing he's going around trying to shun me out almost makes me not even want to deal with any of them.

Not awkward for you, bro. He's got nothing better to do than act like a harpy housewife? With friends like these, who needs enemies.

My own brother has tried to question (I won't say 'shame' because he's better than that) my current lifestyle. I live with a roommate in a lousy part of town and have had the same job for a decade, and keep a girlfriend almost half my age. I've got my own plans but my lifestyle doesn't fit the common mold because I'm being patient with the process. I barely ever go out socially because I don't feel like it. Anyway I know he means well but I'm not changing for him or anyone. People can get on board or move on - it's my life. Your friend is making choices about his friendship with you - that's on him.